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David Michael Swindle πŸŒ€πŸŸ¦'s avatar

β€œThe lesson of 9/11 is that we cannot co-exist with those who want to kill us. That simple.”

It isn’t that simple at all because β€œwho want to kill us” is apparently so up for debate still. You just spent a whole piece arguing that Muslims broadly want to kill us.

9/11 doesn’t have one lesson, it has many lessons.

Why do you need to simplify it all so much, Daniel? David could be intellectual and see depth and nuance. Why won’t you?

David Michael Swindle πŸŒ€πŸŸ¦'s avatar

β€œFirst we blamed the lack of democracy in the Muslim world. Then we blamed our own intolerance. We blamed Israel. We blamed global warming. We blamed mental illness.

And we blamed everything except Islam.”

A lot of us decided to blame Islamism. That’s the mainstream position in both parties and always has been since 9/11. The late Barry Rubin and Daniel Pipes are ultimately just more persuasive than Robert, you, and others advocating the anti-Islam position.

David Michael Swindle πŸŒ€πŸŸ¦'s avatar

β€œFirst we blamed the lack of democracy in the Muslim world. Then we blamed our own intolerance. We blamed Israel. We blamed global warming. We blamed mental illness.

And we blamed everything except Islam.”

I don’t understand why you keep talking in terms of β€œwe.” Who is this β€œwe” you keep talking about?

David Michael Swindle πŸŒ€πŸŸ¦'s avatar

β€œAnd then we learned the hard way that they really did hate us, not because of some mustachioed dictator, but because their religion teaches them from the earliest age to hate us.”

Do our allies in the UAE and other peaceful Muslim countries hate us?

Daniel, Israel wants to make peace with every Muslim country it can. It wants more countries to join the Abraham Accords. Shouldn’t we as Zionists be encouraging that instead of suggesting that all Muslims are our enemies?

David Michael Swindle πŸŒ€πŸŸ¦'s avatar

β€œThe political ascension of Islamists who openly despise us reflects our hatred for ourselves.”

I fail to see how New Yorkers electing Mamdani reflects anything more than New Yorkers being morally confused idiots. His election has nothing to do with the vast majority of Americans who try to ignore the cruelty and stupidity in that terrible city as much as possible.

Urey W. Patrick's avatar

In a nutshell: "And then we learned the hard way that they really did hate us, not because of some mustachioed dictator, but because their religion teaches them from the earliest age to hate us.

But by then we had also learned to blame ourselves."

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We need to destroy the Red-Green alliance infiltratimg America.