tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post918587629411705017..comments2024-03-29T08:36:39.917-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : The Coming Collapse of the Welfare StateDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-74861291623588532472014-03-19T19:45:48.947-04:002014-03-19T19:45:48.947-04:00The conclusion depends on what is the definition o...The conclusion depends on what is the definition of a "welfare state." Whether or not it is viable as a general proposition is debatable. But what is certain is that a welfare state and out-of-control immigration are mutually exclusive. In the end, demography and nationalism always prevail, as we see today with Russia's annexation of Crimea and its previous invasion into Ossetia. Political correctness, which results in uncontrolled immigration from the Third World, among other problems, is a passing fad. But there is and will be even higher price to pay.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02430623539394271976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-15158904010465110142014-03-08T22:37:35.641-05:002014-03-08T22:37:35.641-05:00they're taking advantage of abortions more tha...they're taking advantage of abortions more than birth control. We're not dealing with very responsible folk hereDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-27770312594926250992014-03-08T22:35:13.909-05:002014-03-08T22:35:13.909-05:00My liberal friends tell me that the out of wedlock...My liberal friends tell me that the out of wedlock birthrate problem will be solved by free birth control. I doubt that the people who contribute to this problem will be the ones who take advantage of the free birth control, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-22788829962280934192014-03-05T01:05:42.340-05:002014-03-05T01:05:42.340-05:00The left's greatest, most successful, and most...The left's greatest, most successful, and most effective tactic ever devised to promulgate this mess, is to use their ideological enemies' objective standards against them. First they propgandize a lofty position that is ostensibly "fair" to everyone, thus getting their opposition to buy into it simply as a matter of objective logic, equanimity and even-handedness. Then when the associated law or meme or standard has been foisted off onto everyone, the left then sets out to use its appointed henchmen in the legal establishment and lackeys in related organizations to undercut the law by introducing (subtly at first) new shifting subjective "definitions" of supporting terms that immediately undercut the intent of what they sold to the gullible objectivists, thereby imposing their true program instead. Meanwhile, their enemies are left confused, spluttering, and powerless to do anything about it... after all, they bought into it in the first place, didn't they?<br /><br />Thus we see endlessly repeated the situation in which an objective law intended to be applied in equal manner to individuals, is morphed by the left into an "equal" outcome for their designated victimized group of the moment. George of the Junglenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-14758816043094691962014-03-04T16:27:50.694-05:002014-03-04T16:27:50.694-05:00abprosper sounds like another veteran of the trenc...abprosper sounds like another veteran of the trenches. Although I never thought of my patients as 'feral', I came to believe that it will take three or four generations before even a semblance of assimilation is noticeable, and even that will usually mimic junky pop culture..Speaking of feral, no one here wants to know how many pregnant eleven and twelve year olds I saw in 20 years...<br />The whole scenario is so disturbing, and most Americans have no clue, and even less understanding of how much it costs.<br />sophie<br />--Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-16228687326040493632014-03-04T13:29:55.146-05:002014-03-04T13:29:55.146-05:00Whatever happens business owners and politic elite...Whatever happens business owners and politic elite are not going to like the results. <br /><br />In fairly stable nations without welfare states the saving rate is very high often approaching 25% or more . This plays havoc with consumption, investment and fertility as we have seen everywhere, Its not much fun if your business model depends at all on discretionary spending or more babies.<br /><br />We already have too much money in circulation and it is screwing up the economy. Doing as they do in Japan, lending it to the State for basic pensions makes little sense. Even spending it in the private sector won't help. It will dry up the capital but virtually insure that many more people will end up poorer anyway, Its eating seed corn really.<br /><br />A more likely scenario is a rise in parties like the Golden Dawn, feed the hungry and they'll flock to your banner. This bodes poorly for the multi-cult of course and for stability as the Left cracks down full bore but so be it. On hopes that the upcoming nationalists are good leadersabprospernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-90649644369820133972014-03-04T09:09:04.584-05:002014-03-04T09:09:04.584-05:00Neil Young wrote a song back in the day, "wel...Neil Young wrote a song back in the day, "welfare mothers make better lovers".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-53110470556796478892014-03-04T04:03:38.716-05:002014-03-04T04:03:38.716-05:00A few examples of welfare state collapse in the Ne...A few examples of welfare state collapse in the Netherlands: Under new regulations GP's are strongly dissuaded from referring their patients to specialists for in depth examination. (Such could already be considered a death-panel) Patients with mental problems can only be referred to low-level psychological aid for at the most four "help"sessions. The elderly homes are in such dyer financial state that many shall envisage imminent closure.(just dumping the inhabitants). The other side of the coin however is that had no welfare state ever existed the poor and unemployable would have been begging on the streets and without the, mainly thanks to excessive misuse and too leniently given welfare and medical aid the life expectancy and wellbeing would have never reached the level it did in this country. In short, like most actions things take the shape of a sinusoidal wave with inevitable ups and downs.mindRiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160934421830568737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-58754095809398224232014-03-04T02:43:53.984-05:002014-03-04T02:43:53.984-05:00Great article as always. You forgot one thing thou...Great article as always. You forgot one thing though, automation.<br /><br />As automation continues to get better it will continue to erode jobs. Under those circumstances its going to be harder and harder to rebuild to a work based economy. Fact our modern way of life depends on the moderately skilled 90-110 IQ crowd being able to make a good living and many more of them can't on account of machines<br /><br />This is spreading to a lot of other trades as well, accounting, tax preparation hundreds of other things that were ways to make a living are going to be gone in a few decades. I won't post links but you can read the articles yourself just Google it.<br /><br />This situation is no more sustainable than a welfare state and that inability for people to fill demand is the express train to the 3rd world or if somehow a welfare state is managed, population free fall. <br /><br />Its part and parcel of why Europe has such low birth rates. The elite don't want many kids and the sound minded middle and working classes often can't afford them. This leaves only the feral poor really and of course immigrants from places where our welfare system is a state paved with gold, till the riots anyway. <br /><br />Its really not complex, High (22% percent average in Europe save Germany) youth unemployment and who knows how much underemployment plus urban living means low birth rates.<br /><br />Heavy automation, free trade and outsourcing means more of the same.<br /><br />Its sad that a lot of my fellow conservatives are far too attached to tradition and assume that people will just go on having kids because the church tells them too or because the neighbors are. This is clearly not the case, Europe is not Christian and even in Brazil (which now has Europe style birth rates) people realize the best way out of poverty is less babies.This is 100% effective within a few generations <br /><br />The highly religious and the feral people of course do not follow this trend but none of them are attached to modernity or capable of sustaining the good bits <br /><br />So if we want a functional society we need to pay for it, either the State does it wisely (and apparently that not working) or the private sector does and if we can't and we won't, we can assume that a lack of ability to spur demand will wreck the economy. <br /><br />And no, trade won't cut it either. Even if China was kettled, the world cannot support more net exporters. The demand isn't there and no amount of social engineering can create demand if there is no income. The rest of the poor world would love to buy stuff but, well they are poor for a reason. <br /><br />My suspicion is the best bet is to control borders, control the feral people with have no child incentives and just let them population fall slowly. <br /><br />Eventually it will reach equilibrium either as a more theocratic and natalist state or shrink to some kind of smaller population base which is self supporting. abprospernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-66680646162829205522014-03-04T00:50:30.888-05:002014-03-04T00:50:30.888-05:00Breed people, breed! Fill the Earth and subdue it...Breed people, breed! Fill the Earth and subdue it! Hear oh Israel: The LORD our God is One LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thy heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently to thy children, and shall talk of them when thou sittest down in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. Have children, and train them to Love the LORD and Trust in Him. Don't allow them to be subverted by a system of socialist indoctrination: that isn't doing it for the children. Don't permit the fruit of your body, the greatest blessing of the Mighty One, whose name is Jealous, to have their minds be stolen. That is our great responsibility. If and when the economy tanks, your investments will be like Schindlers' Ring. Develop in your children and grandchildren a trust in the LORD that will remain in spite of the fact. Begin today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-30449948573388295182014-03-03T23:10:00.244-05:002014-03-03T23:10:00.244-05:00Detroit was not destroyed by liberals or liberal p...Detroit was not destroyed by liberals or liberal policies it was destroyed by blackAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12423795657484446149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-11101051793291335572014-03-03T21:49:24.005-05:002014-03-03T21:49:24.005-05:00Mr. Greenfield,
The situation you describe is horr...Mr. Greenfield,<br />The situation you describe is horrendous. Perhaps the worst aspect of it is the moral collapse that has occurred. There is, amongst a large portion of our population, a complete disregard for personal responsibility, a profound cynicism that persuades people that they have a right to be kept, this may actually now be a majority. In the context of this moral rot no solution to our financial problems is possible. What then will happen? Of our approximately $17 trillion debt the part held by the Federal reserve will never be repaid, the part held by internal US interests will be serviced but probably not retired. The debt held externally, approximately $5 trillion, has to be repaid, if it is not then the US will have defaulted. Exactly how this can be retired is a good question, consider that if no new debt was accumulated (the US Fed. Govt. lived within it's tax revenue) and a small but significant amount, say $500 million/year, was set aside to retire the external debt, we would be debt free in about 10,000 years.<br />Another aspect of the moral decay in our society is that the likely result of severe cuts in welfare payments, there would be serious civil disorder across the country with a real possibility of civil war, but certainly at least martial law. Any serious student of this situation knows that cuts have to be made, either by reducing the payout amounts and thereby protecting the value of the currency or by simply distributing more money and thereby destroying the currency through inflation.<br />A poster on another blog summed it up very well: We expect to consume without producing, spend without saving and enjoy leisure without work.<br />The consumers of the last 40 years or so have gone on a binge, accumulating inter-generational debt on a criminal scale, and there is no leadership in sight to address this.<br />This cannot end well.roger in floridanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-62566578177638027202014-03-03T20:42:08.533-05:002014-03-03T20:42:08.533-05:00pretty muchpretty muchDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-34981536819160728812014-03-03T20:37:31.992-05:002014-03-03T20:37:31.992-05:00Shorter Knish: Demography is destiny. Shorter Knish: Demography is destiny. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-3625349534806864452014-03-03T19:33:04.920-05:002014-03-03T19:33:04.920-05:00individual responsibility by those most likely to ...individual responsibility by those most likely to become social problems and therefore wards of the stateDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-28256429797450233822014-03-03T19:29:54.975-05:002014-03-03T19:29:54.975-05:00"The larger question of responsibility" ..."The larger question of responsibility" is a thorny one. Do you mean responsibility as in "I am my brother's keeper", or the responsibility of the people involved to care for, and support their children, starting with limiting the size of their families ?<br /><br />I started my career with the 'brothers keeper' ideal, and retired with the smaller families conclusion.<br /><br />sophie<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-87310602733227396862014-03-03T19:26:38.520-05:002014-03-03T19:26:38.520-05:00libertarians are not all one thing and I am talkin...libertarians are not all one thing and I am talking about the kind of rhetoric I have heardDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-15716610583373333012014-03-03T18:20:35.946-05:002014-03-03T18:20:35.946-05:00Greenfield: I'm a quasi-libertarian and am co...Greenfield: I'm a quasi-libertarian and am confused by your stmt that libertarians think the problem can be fixed by taking bfts away from 'wealthy' elderly people. I think ALL govt spending and programs should be reduced by about 2%/year and taxes reduced by 1%/year, until we reach a better balance and better economy. But targeting the so-called 'wealthy' is a dangerous tactic; libertarians don't want class-warfare, screw the 'rich' tactics, do they?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-2163308958490638042014-03-03T18:09:53.855-05:002014-03-03T18:09:53.855-05:00Libertarians are generally in favor of suicidal Ca...Libertarians are generally in favor of suicidal Camp of the Saints-style immigration. Generally they refuse to acknowledge HBD as a significant factor in public policy making. For both those reasons, libertarians are essentially fellow travellers of the Progs.<br /><br />Daniel, workman-like piece as usual but won't you consider shifting your focus to "Day After" scenarios? "Now what?"-- is not this the burning issue of the day?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-37318934593524776292014-03-03T17:47:58.399-05:002014-03-03T17:47:58.399-05:00Amen BuckWheat.
Amen BuckWheat.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-90410112167591398012014-03-03T17:19:39.795-05:002014-03-03T17:19:39.795-05:00What is a transposition? Where?What is a transposition? Where?Suri Lantemennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-26698353985743467562014-03-03T17:13:27.627-05:002014-03-03T17:13:27.627-05:00I foresee a huge black market economy in our futur...I foresee a huge black market economy in our future.Shouting Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09813058890609756982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-58751265746955019992014-03-03T15:06:54.942-05:002014-03-03T15:06:54.942-05:00you're right, that was a transposition, sorry ...you're right, that was a transposition, sorry about thatDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1950597612068587992014-03-03T14:51:42.840-05:002014-03-03T14:51:42.840-05:00Terrific article. The one bit I didn't underst...Terrific article. The one bit I didn't understand was this:<br /><br />"14 million people are now on Disability or 1 in 4 adults."<br /><br />Clearly that's not 1 in 4 adult Americans. Is it 1 in 4 Americans on some kind of welfare?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-20211256754261531002014-03-03T14:24:55.265-05:002014-03-03T14:24:55.265-05:00"Liberals and libertarians both act as if the..."Liberals and libertarians both act as if the crisis facing us can be fixed if we take more from the "wealthy elderly" or give them less."<br /><br />It's the give them less part that involves libertarians. Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.com