tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post9135029816527048518..comments2024-03-29T00:24:13.128-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : Liberal Judaism and Christianity: The Left Wing Takeover of Religious InstitutionsDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-26616990784958326142007-11-28T14:00:00.000-05:002007-11-28T14:00:00.000-05:00oops, I left something out. You should come and ru...oops, I left something out. You should come and run for office.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-10462289784938349952007-11-27T14:17:00.000-05:002007-11-27T14:17:00.000-05:00Udiyah, it sounds like you should come to Israel.Udiyah, it sounds like you should come to Israel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-86265078306682914832007-11-27T13:49:00.000-05:002007-11-27T13:49:00.000-05:00Here's some good music:http://www.youtube.com/watc...Here's some good music:<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdZgCPevlaY&eurl=http://dreamingofmoshiach.blogspot.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-82049668658663959342007-11-27T11:44:00.000-05:002007-11-27T11:44:00.000-05:00There are many persons on the liberal side of Orth...There are many persons on the liberal side of Orthodoxy at my shul. It's causing me, I hate to sound like a baby, but it's hurting me. When the fires were raging in Malibu there was a nice article about a Chabad rabbi who welcomed firefighters - fed them, gave them a place to rest. I love these kinds of articles so I sent it out to our list. I received an email back from the President of the Jewish Federation (someone in our Orthodox community). She wanted to talk to me about how I shouldn't be promoting Chabad. This was a person who hadn't said a word to me since I came back from Gush Katif and now she wanted to have a long conversation about how it would harm us if I sent out an article?<BR/> <BR/>These are for the most part wonderful, hamish people. But heaven forbid you say something about Mashiach. You might as well have said something about Santa or the Easter Bunny. Some totally scoff at the idea that Mashiach is coming.<BR/> <BR/>It was the President of the shul who told me we could not study Torah on behalf of Jerusalem as a community. This shook me.. I'm very right wing. I love Jews. I love Jerusalem. To me these are things worth fighting and dying for for -- whether or not they are Liberal or Conservative! Politics should remain out it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-36502179339510626122007-11-26T16:45:00.000-05:002007-11-26T16:45:00.000-05:00Sultan, Reform became an essentially Liberal Polit...Sultan, Reform became an essentially Liberal Political movement as late as the Pittsburgh platform which renounced the divine for Liberal values. Yes, as the Left has gotten crazier so has reform.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-16598081800309307962007-11-26T16:17:00.000-05:002007-11-26T16:17:00.000-05:00The har habayit, the temple mount was for the enti...The har habayit, the temple mount was for the entire world to come and offer prayer and sacrifice to G-d not just Jews. G-d is the G-d of the entire world. In the days to come, the future, all nations will come to it and all goodness will flow from it into the world.Chana @ Lemon Lime Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11656854855385193867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-41062186735139238832007-11-26T14:53:00.000-05:002007-11-26T14:53:00.000-05:00Sorry about the confusion. I think that's what Udi...Sorry about the confusion. I think that's what Udiyah meant now that I read the comment over.<BR/><BR/>Sorry about the knee-jerk reaction, I've been doing a lot of that lately. <BR/><BR/>I'm just not used to reading about Orthodox--MO or Hassidic--not wanting to pray for Israel. Is there really a liberal faction of MO Jews who feel that way?Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-17844286815968773082007-11-26T14:39:00.000-05:002007-11-26T14:39:00.000-05:00he likely objected because he was on the liberal s...he likely objected because he was on the liberal side of modern orthodoxy, if i understand udiyah correctlyDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-62433912237507767062007-11-26T13:46:00.000-05:002007-11-26T13:46:00.000-05:00hey, nice picture of ol' Mao.hey, nice picture of ol' Mao.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-20766141031569454442007-11-26T13:28:00.000-05:002007-11-26T13:28:00.000-05:00Another thought--can Jerusalem be divided? Yes, it...Another thought--can Jerusalem be divided? Yes, it is in danger and any politician can split it in two with disasterous results.<BR/><BR/>That doesn't mean we should pray and beseech G-d for it not to happen. What would G-d do if we remained silent and didn't at least try to rescue Jerusalem from being held captive by Arabs?<BR/><BR/>Personally, I don't Muslims or even Christians have any business being at the Wall or on the Temple Mount. It's a holy site. Only Jews should be there.<BR/><BR/>(ducks, dodges rocks from Muslims and Christian Zionists)Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-76533044990021101682007-11-26T13:22:00.000-05:002007-11-26T13:22:00.000-05:00To Sultan:It's easy to see how religions which bas...To Sultan:<BR/><BR/>It's easy to see how religions which basically teach ethical behavior and social welfare can be slowly and almost impercetively merged into liberalism and Marxism at the extreme. I don't even know if the majority of Jews or Christians even saw it coming.<BR/><BR/>For the longest time my parents were democrats because they were for the working and middle class. Gradually that shifted and the democrats came to represent every form of immorality imagineable and called it inclusion and tolerance. Worst of all this idea that there are no moral absolutes.<BR/><BR/>That's when my parents switched and joined the Republican party, something they both swore they would never do because it was supposed to be the party of the rich and uncaring.<BR/><BR/>To Udiyah: I think praying for the unity of Jerusalem and that it remain whole an hour before Maariv is a wonderful idea. How wonderful to perhaps recite every pslam dealing with Jerusalem.<BR/><BR/>I can't for the life of me understand why any Jew would object...unless perhaps NK or maybe Satmar? Or is there some Halacha about what one can or cannot pray for before Maariv?<BR/><BR/>It IS sad that you can't participate in the prayers. This person objecting might be highly educated but is he highly spiritual? <BR/><BR/>That should be of greater importance than his personal views. If this person doesn't want to pray for Jerusalem (and in my opinion directly violate psalm 122:6) the rest of the congregation shouldn't cave in to his bias just to satisy his ego or biases. I have always taken that admonition to pray for the peace of Jerusalem very very seriously. I'd have a major problem with anyone who objected to that. He might be more educated in Judaism than me but on this issue I would have to put my foot down.<BR/><BR/>And if he really objects, couldn't he just not come to the shul until after the prayers for Jerusalem are through?<BR/><BR/>To Anonymous:<BR/><BR/>It is an excellent idea to follow-up on the comment sections of previous posts here!<BR/><BR/>As for the settlers, I think they more than anybody else recognize what Anapolis is all about. After all, they're the ones who have been forced out of their homes and continue to have kassams launched at their communities.<BR/><BR/>They ARE the canaries in the Israeli coal mines, coughing and choking but few people are listening to them. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Another great article Sultan.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-4568946260168178882007-11-26T12:12:00.000-05:002007-11-26T12:12:00.000-05:00While I know that this is not related to the lates...While I know that this is not related to the latest article, I find that people often do not go back to earlier articles to keep up on comments. And, I feel this is to important to be missed.<BR/><BR/>Enclosed is the opening part of a editorial from the Haaretz. It makes a point that I have been saying in your blog for some time. The Left is playing the Right for fools and generally they are doing a good job. They depend on the disorganization and meaningless ranting from the Right while they, the Left, are creating facts on the ground.<BR/><BR/>haaretz<BR/>11/26/2007<BR/>Nine reasons Annapolis will succeed<BR/>By Bradley Burston, Haaretz Correspondent<BR/><BR/>Seldom in the annals of tinsel diplomacy has a show garnered such devastating reviews long before its opening curtain. <BR/><BR/>Dismissed and derided from every quarter, laughed off as a lukewarm sham, the Annapolis peace summit has confounded many Middle East analysts merely by the prospect of its actually taking place.<BR/><BR/>It may be a ludicrous what-if to even contemplate the notion, but if the Annapolis summit actually amounts to more than a passing footnote in the history of this region, at least we'll know some of the reasons why.<BR/><BR/>1. The settlers expect it to fail.<BR/><BR/>The settlers, the canaries in the coal mine of the Israeli right, have not taken Annapolis seriously. They have waved it away as a desperate attempt by Olmert to divert attention from the myriad graft investigations which threaten him. <BR/><BR/>They ought to know better by now.<BR/><BR/>The settlers made precisely the same statements when Ariel Sharon first announced his plan for removing settlers and settlements from what the Gaza Strip. At the outset, the right as a whole failed to take Sharon seriously. This allowed the then-prime minister the opportunity to build crucial momentum for one of the most radical operations in Israel's long history of unlikely missions.<BR/><BR/>By the time the right mounted its dramatic, monumental counterattack, it was too late.<BR/><BR/>Now as then, the right is asleep at the switch. The fact that Avigdor Lieberman of Yisrael Beiteinu and Shas' Eli Yishai still occupy chairs at Olmert's cabinet table is but one of the indications. Had they taken Annapolis seriously, they would have brought down the government long ago.<BR/><BR/>The right, spearheaded by the settlers, remains Israel's most potent force for scuttling government initiatives. They have been lulled into inaction, however, by their conviction that a post-disengagement Gaza of Qassams and Hamas rule has turned the Israeli public tide against all prospect of land-for-peace formulas. For their own sake, they might consider that one Sadat-like gesture on the part of Israel's enemies could send tens of thousands of settlers to new homes closer to the Green Line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-23761638238511894152007-11-26T11:14:00.000-05:002007-11-26T11:14:00.000-05:00I'm afraid this attitude you write about is seepin...I'm afraid this attitude you write about is seeping into Modern Orthodoxy. <I>Intellectualism</I> is prevailing - What degree do they have? Where did they get it? Is he/or she college educated at all?<BR/><BR/>Chabad is disdained. <BR/><BR/>But the very worst was when just recently the OU came up with a idea for Jews to study a half hour before Ma'ariv in merit of keeping Jerusalem whole. When I asked a person of authority about it they said "A very highly educated person, very important in the community would leave because <I>they believe</I> Jerusalem can be divided." So we can't participate. :-(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-28151110492815523092007-11-26T10:50:00.001-05:002007-11-26T10:50:00.001-05:00Left seems to be the new code for communist.Left seems to be the new code for communist.Chana @ Lemon Lime Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11656854855385193867noreply@blogger.com