tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post9038407511373733593..comments2024-03-28T17:49:27.846-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : The Deconstruction of MarriageDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-61984972512030641902015-07-03T17:36:15.150-04:002015-07-03T17:36:15.150-04:00That analogy does not hold. There is a very import...That analogy does not hold. There is a very important difference between a chicken and a consent person. The latter can make a decision for himself and express it, the first cannot. So while this seemed like a clever comparison, it contains the flaw of not considering consent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-74412495519971591522015-06-24T20:57:06.973-04:002015-06-24T20:57:06.973-04:00As complementary reading to Daniel's fine colu...As complementary reading to Daniel's fine column, see my book review here:<br />http://ruleofreason.blogspot.com/2015/06/book-review-masculine-power-feminine.html<br />Edward Clinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160209827969614964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-50362754655859803042015-05-10T21:19:37.818-04:002015-05-10T21:19:37.818-04:00It started, I think, with the birth control pill, ...It started, I think, with the birth control pill, not the socialists. Before the birth control pill, most women chose to wait to have sex until they were married because they did not want to end up as a single parent. Most men chose marriage to get a steady supply of sex. Then came the pill. Now women and men could have sex without having children and without being married. That and the welfare state greatly weakened the family unit. Yes, the socialists capitalized on this and continue to support the weakening of the family, the churches, and capitalism, but the problem is bigger than gay marriage, in my opinion. Emma Barkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-65124813828431709292015-04-28T14:02:51.237-04:002015-04-28T14:02:51.237-04:00Also a discussion of their tactics, the constant r...Also a discussion of their tactics, the constant refrain of the inevitability of gay marriage, phony polls favoring their positions ( Bibi supposedly losing at home), their intimidation tactics, their booing and ramming at the door of the boy scouts to get their slimy hands on those boys, their destruction of the Catholic church, their mischief's in the Reform branch, their use of activist judges...it would nice if you could address these issues...also for your sake.. as a man of G-d you would think an accounting will be made to see who stood in the breech to stem the tide of the G-d haters? I would bet my bottom dollar that the gays are behind the current trouble for the Jews on the campuses...If the book is true there is trouble ahead because of the rise of the sodomite...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-60061630798653985732015-04-28T13:50:10.137-04:002015-04-28T13:50:10.137-04:00I'm the one who wrote the Torah analysis...I s...I'm the one who wrote the Torah analysis...I see you are taking on the left and the gays more and more...in my opinion the gays are more of a threat to Jews and the social mores they brought to the world than the somewhat powerless Muslim who always seems to shoot themselves in the foot..please commit yourself and your great intellect to this cause...how about an article about the traitorous left wing websites like Huffington Post backing Muslims (because of their hatred of the Jews and Israel) who are killing our soldiers and committing atrocities all over the world?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-23628753820631539182015-04-27T15:32:33.711-04:002015-04-27T15:32:33.711-04:00In answer to the immediately preceding: I agree th...In answer to the immediately preceding: I agree that the gleeful, unapologetic lack of fidelity on the part of the homosexual whose attitude you described is worthy of disgust; but surely you have not led such a sheltered life that you have not encountered similar tomcat attitudes in married folks of the heterosexual persuasion!<br /><br />Aside from the differences in the mechanics and esthetics of sex as practiced by both groups, I cannot see that infidelity on the part of heterosexuals is any more edifying than that of homosexuals.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11686719936235674581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1065148201353944992015-04-23T07:24:04.699-04:002015-04-23T07:24:04.699-04:00Great commentary on this subject. My only concern ...Great commentary on this subject. My only concern is that we don't misidentify the culprit. I don't think this scheme belongs to the right or left. Attacking marriage is a devilish work. There are folks of all party affiliations on both sides of this issue. Finding a way to unite with those who cherise the sacred institution of marriage is something worth pursuit. Thinking, strategizing, praying, and working together is what it's going to take to make this a fight. Again, great piece here. Will spread the word. ThanksMustafa Mujahidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474596628692983021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-58114682331297603442015-04-23T01:04:02.076-04:002015-04-23T01:04:02.076-04:00Wow, this was so very powerful.
Thank you so much...Wow, this was so very powerful.<br /><br />Thank you so much for getting to the heart of this issue. Most people - on either side of the same-sex "marriage" issue just don't understand this.Monoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-12859091842797266192015-04-22T14:48:43.978-04:002015-04-22T14:48:43.978-04:00"The left's greatest trick is making thin..."The left's greatest trick is making things mean the opposite of what they do. "<br /><br />Thank you. Now I undertand better the left's obsession with destroying Israel by redefining war crime, genocide, apartheid and the rest to refer to the target of those acts (Israel) rather than the perpetrators.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-71443826728270910592015-04-21T21:26:40.779-04:002015-04-21T21:26:40.779-04:00Your analysis, Daniel, grasps the big picture, in ...Your analysis, Daniel, grasps the big picture, in which we swim about like blind fish. Thank you. Meg Sonatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122239454603377778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-23256848104462334992015-04-19T16:21:39.191-04:002015-04-19T16:21:39.191-04:00Ultimately the religious element has to give meani...Ultimately the religious element has to give meaning and defense to the basic social concepts or a nations basic human ideas. Westboro Baptist group are weird fringe. They don't need to be sited as we wouldnt say don't talk about military assistance in Mid East because that soldier who teased the little Arab child caused militants to rise up around the world. <br /><br />The religious element gives the meaning to social traditions. Judeo Christian cultivated North American marriage traditions, Jewish Torah foundational to Israeli marriage practices, Sharia for Middle East countries, Hindu for marriage traditions in India, etc. Atheists, gays, bisexual, divorved, single etc of course must have basic human rights , they don't have to be religious or even like religion, but still recognize and be truthful about the foundation and meaning religion gives to various social institutions or moral views in a country. <br /><br />It might also be a lot easier to fight for courts and judges to recognize religious traditions, than it would to convince them to defend human social concepts. LGBT relentlessly bashing and destroying basic human ideas and traditional concepts? Or LGBT, progressives, far left, anti establishment relentlessly bashing and trying to abolish foundational religious traditions in a particular country. <br /><br />Defending the Torah as an essential foundational aspect of Israeli culture would be of course a lot easier, but somehow defending religious rights and defending the historical foundations and contributions of religion to marriage and gender identity will be easier or more logical at this point in the struggle to save traditional marriage. <br /><br />Also maybe relevant is bringing in the idea that family stability and marriage stability is extremely important to the strength and stability of a nation. Functioning, stable families is more important to the survival of a nation than military defense. Asian countries write about this a lot and accept it as natural essential public policy MaryK blinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01827057442773319169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-39025925032774349802015-04-19T08:02:57.415-04:002015-04-19T08:02:57.415-04:00Mr Greenfield, we share your sharp and profound an...Mr Greenfield, we share your sharp and profound analysis. The Left is winning because the contra-culture of the One Way Thought is disseminating beyond borders of social and political affiliation. The increasing deficiency of basic culture and individual autonomy convert free citizens in malleable Media-preys. Stereo sounds and screen sights are muzzing the brains, so that " the ears are hearing without listening, and the eyes watching without seeing ". In name of old revolutionary slogans ( the leftist narrative claims all revolutions of history ), namely " Egalité, Fraternité, Liberté ", we are forced to believe in slogans like " multicultural society ", " unselfishness ", " appeasing attitude ", " demolition of social differences ", " no sexual secernment ", " all religions are the same ", e.g. Most underdogs, simply minded, castoffs, immigrants are canoodled in order to feel trendy and smart. With slogans they are given feeling to belong to this Brave New World, in which the Rich is the wheelman on his sailboat, and the Poor is watching him from the shore and applauds . Empty slogans, paving the road to the "perfect" worthless society, where also marriage becomes a perfect meaningless cerimony. The final purpose is eliminating remnants of etical codes which allow individuals to positively interact, to start a family, to lead an enterprize, to cooperate in society, to build a nation. The leftist vision is a liquid global government of few " big brothers " controlling amorphous masses of paupers. Indeed Comunism loves poverty. History shows that under it's enlighting governments the rate of poverty has always inreased.<br />Clelia & Ericnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-13163574798716069322015-04-19T00:13:47.667-04:002015-04-19T00:13:47.667-04:00Excellent analysis, very much the same argument co...Excellent analysis, very much the same argument could be used against the false ecumenism engaged in by every 'religion' on the planet. The idea best expressed by Gilbert and Sullivan in The Gondoliers "When everybody's somebody, then no one's anybody!" The deconstruction of man is happening on every level, not just sexually. Even somewhat liberal-leaning popular psychologists like John Gray are alarmed at the throwing away of gender identity, which is clearly a tactic of the emerging one world religion/government we see happening in our day. <br /><br />Homosexuality was for Catholics (as I am) before Vatican II one of the "four sins crying to Heaven for vengeance" along with willful murder of the innocent, depriving a worker of his just wages, and the failure to care for widows and orphans. Any pre Vatican II catechism or review of "Basic explanation of Christian doctrine" will easily demonstrate that. This is an attempt like the communists before them, to rewrite history, to make those who are on the side of the Almighty to look "evil" while making those who would oppose Him to look/appear as "the good." What did Isaiah say about those who do that?<br /><br />The natural law is written by the Creator on all men's hearts. One former homosexual who was able to come out of that lifestyle self-identified himself as suffering grievously from attachment disorder problems. He was much castigated by the gay community at large for saying so, but...anyone who has dealt with emotionally troubled children (or adults - Borderline Personality Disorder - the "I hate you, don't leave me" mentality) knows what an astute, brilliant, self-aware person that gentleman was in identifying what he was suffering from. Most children afflicted with that disorder have serious difficulties with self-identity. The gender bending liberals and social engineers are out to increase and multiply that problem, rather than helping children develop a stronger sense of self - what Freud liked to call the Id, I suppose. Destroying a person's sense of self just increases self hate, regardless of how much they drink the poison and call it delicious wine. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-12834765203000759072015-04-18T20:11:00.537-04:002015-04-18T20:11:00.537-04:00Marriage is a covenant defined by God, not a contr...Marriage is a covenant defined by God, not a contract defined by man and thus cannot be regulated by man's governments.<br /><br />Because too many government officials are now hostile to how God defines marriage, government is being used to force me to recognize and even enable "marriage" that God tells me is morally repulsive. Just as we have a separation of church and state, we must now have a separation of marriage and state. When marriage is a private matter, then anyone can enter into any manner of relationship they please, but they cannot use government to impose their definition on others.<br /><br />-- theBuckWheatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-14646614712228029352015-04-18T20:08:22.771-04:002015-04-18T20:08:22.771-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11629722515982580307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-872182879462476282015-04-18T19:46:46.385-04:002015-04-18T19:46:46.385-04:00He who controls the meaning of the words, gets to ...He who controls the meaning of the words, gets to control the outcome of the debate.<br /><br />-- theBuckWheatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-82029841078918022452015-04-18T14:20:31.355-04:002015-04-18T14:20:31.355-04:00All of the values that uphold civilized societies ...All of the values that uphold civilized societies have been under attack by the left for decades: self-reliance, self-restraint, industry, thrift, sobriety (meaning seriousness and ability to defer gratification, not necessarily refraining from drink). This has long been the left's MO because undermining these "bourgeois" values leads more people to depend on government. <br /><br />Today's attacks on marriage are only the latest gambit. The kinship structure created by the natural union of a man and a woman is the best defense against an overambitious state. It is within intact families that the characteristics that develop independence are inculcated. So, of course, they have to go. <br /><br />Reading the S Ct briefs by conservatives is sad because it doesn't matter any more what they say. Justice Kennedy will give homosexuals a Constitutional right to "marry" and I don't know where we go from there. The left has always had its useful idiots. <br /><br />I don't believe that other western countries have gone this route - ssm has been legislated and can therefore be reversed. A Constitutional right is more difficult. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-42150953369690698712015-04-18T07:57:48.252-04:002015-04-18T07:57:48.252-04:00G-D created Judaism to create an ordered sane lovi...G-D created Judaism to create an ordered sane loving society that contrasted from the social chaos created by the fall and the insane, unloving, ugly impulses and propensities of the fallen mind and body. G-D's Laws/Statutes/Commandments/Precepts, etc. were for humanity's own good and were issued out of the loving concern of a Divine Parent. Worship of G-D is obedience and obedience brings Shalom to man's mind, family, relationships with others and to society as a whole. <br /><br />Islam and the leftist ideologies are man-made systems and cannot create Shalom, only more suffering, confusion, conflict and chaos.<br /><br />Leftists are re-creating pre-Judaism, pre-Christian, pagan, fleshly societal chaos.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-43734102101913498562015-04-18T05:50:07.398-04:002015-04-18T05:50:07.398-04:00The problem with the idea of homosexual marriage i...The problem with the idea of homosexual marriage is that it would be or is socially inert. It produces nothing for society; that is, children. The para-sexual intercourse that is conducted between people of the same sex cannot produce a zygote, so it is not sex.<br />I've got no idea why a government would have a mind to pretend that there is something meaningful it its involvement in non-sexual relationships that cannot produce children, relationships that are biologically meaningless and therefore socially irrelevant.<br />Unless, of course it is to lift the pathetic acts that attempt to mimic sexual intercourse to be part of serious life, or to allow the adoption or purchase of children by pairs of the same sex; removing the child's natural right and expectation of life with its biological parents.Critiashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16237963162637891378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-44523597434682282582015-04-17T19:39:40.782-04:002015-04-17T19:39:40.782-04:00The question on the table is whether the instituti...The question on the table is whether the institutions that give us meaning will be allowed to retain that meaning. And that question is a matter of survival. Societies cannot survive without definitions. Peoples do not go on existing through the act of occupying space. The deconstruction of identity is also the destruction of people.<br /><br />And that is what we are truly fighting against. <br />------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />What happens when the major institutions of society are online? Who then do these violent social movements threaten then? What happens to disparate impact then? Arent finance and education the next sectors of the economy to be disrupted from Silicon Valley? What precisely will the deconstructors deconstruct then? Wouldnt those innovations make it harder to rationalize interfering with freedom of association? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-23123126268253258692015-04-17T14:41:10.043-04:002015-04-17T14:41:10.043-04:00How does one explain gay activists and media chang...How does one explain gay activists and media change in attitude over the last 20 years?<br /> Twenty years ago the attitude was one totally disdainful, rejecting and mocking of marriage. If you were to inquire about the possibility of gay marriage; the response would be to the effect of -Why would anyone want to be apart of such an archaic destructive absurd limiting institution.<br /> My guess is that if anything, the activists are in reality just as disdainful and hostile to marriage as they have been historically and that like the author articulately asserts the real goal in the past and the present is the destruction of what the activists hate "real' marriage. Jonah Johansenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06375169353701050421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-56895257779123647012015-04-17T13:19:59.696-04:002015-04-17T13:19:59.696-04:00The consistent thread I see in the attacks on trad...The consistent thread I see in the attacks on traditional values of America, whether from the liberals in general or Gays specifically is trying to take down any form of criticism and judgment that may be made of them as people and as a group. What maybe once was a sincere grievance, e.g. two gays belonging to a church wanting to get married but not being allowed to, have devolved into a movement of bullies where civility has gone out the window and politicians have sold out mainstream citizens (by that I mean the majority) by subjecting them to government duress.<br /><br />Something I hate are liars. Next on my list are bullies. If gays cannot make a case in the court of public opinion, then they resort to using intimidation tactics that might win them some battles in the short term (and they think they are winning) but they will lose the war in the long term. And they know it. That is what makes them so angry. That is why they have resorted to gaining legal rights to same sex couples adopting/parenting children. It is all in the hopes of growing their numbers which naturally would remain a rather low and insignificant number. But rather than just go on with their lives and work to be productive citizens (which would be a hell of a lot easier if they didn't stick their business in everyone's face all the time!), they choose to play the martyr/victim for the legal and government benefits that are so readily available to them.<br /><br />Want a service or product and a business refuses you? The smart citizen would take their business elsewhere. Vote with your wallet. Vote with your feet. We are in the 21st century now. What is the point of taking on a small business and trying to destroy them in an effort to get your way? I know, it is for the publicity and making a scene. But just as Negro performers in the early days of TV would play the clown role, now it is gays who willingly play the clown role, and play it up all for sympathy. What they fail to understand is that the government, the courts cannot force people to respect you. You have to earn that respect and that is still a matter of character and being a good, productive citizen and neighbor. The gay community has drawn the line in the sand and they are the ones challenging every aspect of traditional America with their utter disregard and lack of respect for their fellow citizens. They are the ones now acting like Bullies. I don't hate gays but I do hate bullies. You want to have a loving relationship and make a life commitment with someone of the same sex, it's none of my business. You want to keep poking traditional American in the eye, well, as I used to tell my kids, "You will meet some people who are difficult and want to cause you harm. You can try to use humor, logic and negotiation to reach some kind of agreement. But inevitably you will meet a bully who only understands one thing. And when all else fails, give it to him a knuckle sandwich right between the eyes!" I am tired of being civil and am ready to take off the gloves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-77405470114445130962015-04-17T10:15:17.071-04:002015-04-17T10:15:17.071-04:00Daniel once again streaks to the heart of the issu...Daniel once again streaks to the heart of the issue. Good job.D.D. Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07889687059761117441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-77341443162292602322015-04-17T05:59:52.208-04:002015-04-17T05:59:52.208-04:00To take your nice article one step further...
&quo...To take your nice article one step further...<br />"destruction" for what purpose?<br />Not just to "destroy" man...but then<br />to also take control over those remains of man.<br />Absolute power over "man" (or, what is left if him).<br />To me, *that* is the desired tyranny.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-81906062395653978002015-04-17T04:11:45.231-04:002015-04-17T04:11:45.231-04:00http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswas...http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm<br /><br />check this link out...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com