tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post8676604567501385441..comments2024-03-28T17:49:27.846-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : Islam's War on the Family and a World Without WomenDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-61405458328607562602010-12-24T06:38:58.983-05:002010-12-24T06:38:58.983-05:00Anonymous/NowAwake - this "homosexual" i...Anonymous/NowAwake - this "homosexual" ie male/male power realtion mie making one man adopt the feminine role in order to be the powerful 'penetrator" has been written about extensively in feminist literature, esp. when discussing prison and boys schools. <br /><br />If you look up texts like "The Trouble With Boys" and suchlike from the late 70s early 80s you'll probably find something about it.<br /><br />Unfortunately I read it all too long ago to locate it in my memory, but many of the ideas around it stuck!<br />The general idea was that it was always good to be the "penetrator" of males or females, adults or children because it showed that YOU were in charge and always in the powerful male controlling role.<br />To be the "penetrated" was to be the prey, weak and helpless 'feminine" or "childlike victim.<br /><br />This had nothing to do with loving relationships between people who were born homosexuals, it was only about defining power relationships with the use of the penis.TBSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-66480098292028154852010-12-24T06:31:43.200-05:002010-12-24T06:31:43.200-05:00Daniel,
to take up godfrey's point, perhaps i...Daniel,<br /><br />to take up godfrey's point, perhaps instead of using the word "homosexual" you could say "same sex" or "male on male" sexuality?<br />After all Islamic societies do not promote female homosexuality, so it canot be confused.<br /><br />This issue has popped up in a couple of other places and discussions, and it is a worthwhile effort to clarify it i think.<br /><br />Using "homosexuality" can be easily understood in the sense you mean it, and I heartily concur with its use as it is technically correct, but I have noticed that it does tend to get confused with actual homosexual relationships between normal men who happen to be gay in discussions of this nature, ie men who were born gay, in contrast to men who have been forecd by islamic cultural perversions into valuing only the male sex aqnd therfore valuing it sexually over and above sexual or social bonding with females even if he is hetero.<br /><br />One spends tedious amounts of time saying "non, no, I don't mean real homosexuality relationshiops..." etc.<br /><br />I reckon "male-male sex/bonding" might do the trick, even though I recognise and (again, concur) with the strength of male power relationships in the Muslim world.<br /><br />It's so very ironic that so much good feminist writing has decried this exact type of male/male bonding that delegitimises the feminise domestic and political role and that much of "feminism" these days supports the very things the older fem's used to write against so eloquently!<br /><br />How are the mighty fallen!<br /><br />Oh, and think yourself lucky - i could have used the much-loved academic term "valorising" rather than "valuing", and might have thrown in casual references to Irigaray! ;)<br />You got off easy!! :)TBSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-8137014301594050322010-12-24T06:19:26.790-05:002010-12-24T06:19:26.790-05:00Ther's a passage in the book
An Evil Cradling...Ther's a passage in the book <br />An Evil Cradling, written by a guy who was taken hostage by terrorists back in the late 70s. in one chapter,The Rape, he recounts how he was beaten by one of the male terrorists to the point where the beater was practically coming, such was the exhilaration generated by him beating his prisoner.<br />He was never actually raped in the sexual sense, but he perceived the incredible sexual satisfaction his assailant received from the beating an d hence deemed this chapter title appropriate.<br /><br />A fascinating book.TBSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-15396553168148451052010-03-29T05:53:54.465-04:002010-03-29T05:53:54.465-04:00Your points about homosexual behaviour and how the...Your points about homosexual behaviour and how the person in the female role the ones blamed and your reference to being patronised are very intriging.<br /><br />As a mature aged male working in a government agency I went through an episode of being targeted by a younger apparently straight male work colleague to be a recipient of his sweet gentle touches, physical and otherwise, of affection care and support I strongly intuited that he was manouvering to place me into a female role vis a vis himself in order to be able to see himself as ‘man of the house’ so to speak of the work area, consistent with his other behaviour when he would drop the gentlemanly mask and just try straight bullying.<br /><br />When I asked local management (a gay supervisor and his female manager) for help they sided with him – the classic blame-the-victim strategy that comes from primitive management reactions embedded deep in their subconciousness and contrary to all the corporate policies about zero tolerance of harassment That concious mind stuff never mattered. I am sure had ADHD and hence acted from his subconcious mind, as does Islam.<br /><br />As you say very primitive but very very powerful psychological forces at work which the rational mind has no bearing on.<br /><br />NowAwakeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-54015272374292267862008-01-29T11:38:00.000-05:002008-01-29T11:38:00.000-05:00godfrey, my post first of all discussed homosexual...godfrey, <BR/><BR/>my post first of all discussed homosexuality in terms of the prevalence of homosexual acts, rather than the gay identity that exists in the west<BR/><BR/>I oppose that as well but it's not my topic<BR/><BR/>in this case we're talking about the kind of 'prison homosexuality' that emerges from men adapting to a culture where women do not exist or have been significantly sidelined<BR/><BR/>rather than a gay identityDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-21769454712704120832008-01-29T01:53:00.000-05:002008-01-29T01:53:00.000-05:00While your analysis is acute and intelligent and d...While your analysis is acute and intelligent and demands to be read widely, there is one area in which you undermine your own very valid case. And this faulty thinking is best expressed by 'keli ata''s posting here, stating "Homosexuality and violence are inevitable when normal man-woman relationships are perverted". Homosexuality is a contrived category (the word itself did not exist before 1869 and is a clumsy neologism construced from both Latin and Greek roots); that is why most 'homosexual' men and Lesbians, in the West at least, prefer to be called "Gay", a word that has been used since the 17th century (in England) to describe men and women who are drawn to romantic/erotic relationships with other people of their own gender. this distinction is important because being Gay -as I am- is not, repeat not, entirley (or even mainly) about genital sexuality (in other words, where you stick your penis); it is about falling in love. It is about sustaining the best relationship of which I am capable with another man, because it is with another man that I feel the strongest, most fulfilling expression of my natural yearnings. And I have lived in a loyal, loving, and faithful (monogamous) relationship with the same man for twenty years. And under the UK's new Civil Partnership law, I was finally able effectively to marry that same man, in a moving ceremony which established the UK Government's willingness to support and honour this loving relatinship. Now what has this got to do with "homosexuality and violence" being the result of "normal" heterosexual relationships being "perverted" ??? NOTHING ! Being Gay is not some kind of wounded or "perverted" heterosexuality. It is as normal as normal can be. At least 3% of the world's population is Gay (my life experience over 50 years tells me it is likely nearer 5%), and we exist in every walk of life. We deliver your babies, we collect your trash, we educate your children, we sell you insurance, we are firefighters, cops and writers and surgeons and taxi drivers. We are EVERYWHERE. And we always, always have been. And the horror of present-day Iran (and the other theocratic Islamic nations) is that -as you have said- there is no intuitive and intellectual grasp of the rightness and wholeness of same-gender love. When romance and passion are commandeered by the State under the guise of Religion, no Loving Relationship is free of threat. And gay men are not thwarted heterosexuals who just need a woman to straighten them out, just as no Lesbian needs a man's penis in her to "cure" her "perversion". Unless you understand this, you have not helped heal, but continue to prolong, the agony of the many Gay men and women in Iran who are Gay because THEY WERE, AND ARE, AND EVER WILL BE, BORN THAT WAY, just like the rest of us self-accepting, self-honouring Gay and Lesbian people who live under (somewhat) happier Governmental systems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-75932018158305046742007-11-22T14:32:00.000-05:002007-11-22T14:32:00.000-05:00yes k.a. dictatorships have long known that you ca...yes k.a. dictatorships have long known that you can redirect energy from human relationships in order to create a twisted kind of relationship in the state's image<BR/><BR/>whether it's the beheading videos or german crowds chanting for Hitler or russians being stomped to death at stalin's funeral<BR/><BR/>that redirected energy always turns to death in the end, to violence, to homosexuality, to abuseDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-37232994478958162352007-11-22T14:31:00.000-05:002007-11-22T14:31:00.000-05:00yes they do udiyah, since muslim men are always to...yes they do udiyah, since muslim men are always told they're superior, which is in part reinforced by the position of womenDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-33081580392841581142007-11-22T14:30:00.000-05:002007-11-22T14:30:00.000-05:00footnote on Yo's post, "Reishis Goyim Amalek" mean...footnote on Yo's post, "Reishis Goyim Amalek" means Amalek is the First Among NationsDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-26381598212366194352007-11-22T14:15:00.000-05:002007-11-22T14:15:00.000-05:00You hit the nail on its proverbial head. Great, ...You hit the nail on its proverbial head. <BR/> <BR/>Great, great article.Chana @ Lemon Lime Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11656854855385193867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-33108114119748827602007-11-22T12:46:00.000-05:002007-11-22T12:46:00.000-05:00You're right on the money. Homosexuality and viole...You're right on the money. Homosexuality and violence are inevitable when normal man-woman relationships are perverted. All that pent up physical and emotional energy has to have some outlet.<BR/><BR/>I've always felt that the violence in many of the beheading videos reaches a frenzy of pent up emotions and energy. They do almost collapse from exhaustion.<BR/><BR/><BR/>btw, have you ever seen the video Saudi Arabia Song from Family Dad? it's just an animated clip but very to the point of female oppression and abuse. And all the Saudi women quoting on it on You Tube complain about is not being able to drive. They say it's not a big deal, and that they like male escorts. Of course they miss the point that there's a difference between choosing to be escorted and living their lives under a man's thumb.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-71575485160907302022007-11-22T12:31:00.000-05:002007-11-22T12:31:00.000-05:00Muslims have an inate sense of entitlement - Musli...Muslims have an inate sense of entitlement - Muslim men in particular.. They have everything coming to them. Here is an article you may find interesting.<BR/><BR/>http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={D40CFECB-5B2A-400C-BC31-2E9522FDBB04}Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-14722352031624028542007-11-22T11:08:00.000-05:002007-11-22T11:08:00.000-05:00The first thing that came to my mind: "...the keli...The first thing that came to my mind: <BR/><BR/>"...the kelipah of Amalek, the kelipah of brazen chutzpah; an insolent individual, as he himself is aware, is essentially a non-entity. For by their very nature, as we observe, the baser and more degraded such people are, the less do they retain their human aspect; the more do they relate with insolence, in an animal-like fashion, to people more elevated than themselves." (pg. 24, Reishis Goyim Amalek by the Previous Lubavitcher Rebbe)Yochanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835163236714972489noreply@blogger.com