tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post8129172504932399974..comments2024-03-28T10:00:45.108-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : Who is Really Politicizing Ground Zero?Daniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-52044601502957924912010-08-21T00:40:44.524-04:002010-08-21T00:40:44.524-04:00From a comment above: "I see it in two ways--...From a comment above: <i>"I see it in two ways--<b>planting a flag</b> so to speak of their perceived victory on 9/11, and an elaborate PR stunt to show people "we're not bad guys."- Keli Ata</i> <br /><br />"planting a flag" is an interesting choice of words . . .and quite plausable considering <br /><br /><i>Quote: ". . .a second mosque near Ground Zero that is also looking for a new location downtown. At that time, prior to being scrutinized," <a href="http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/the-other-mosque-at-ground-zero-video/" rel="nofollow"> the Masjid Manhattan website displayed a banner on its website stating: Build the “House of Allah” next to the World Trade Center ! <b>Help us raise he flag of “LA ILLAHA ILLA ALLAH” !. . ." </b></a></i><br /><br />[follow link to watch the video and view the screenshot of the websites banner.]<br />*****<br />this Masjid Manhattan is the same mosque mischaracterized as moderate by Bill Whittle in his latest powerful video mentioned in DP111's comment above as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-89140926351204744492010-08-19T07:59:48.947-04:002010-08-19T07:59:48.947-04:00With serving Lower Manhattan Rauf is probably addr...With <i>serving Lower Manhattan</i> Rauf is probably addressing some future expectation...<br /><br />The numbers in favour (or at least not in contempt) of this mosque are truly frightening, even considering that New York is about as socialist as California.<br /><br />Too many people must be scared to death of being accused of 'racism', for just pointing out some inconvenient facts. I can't think of any other reason than fear of being branded. Which of cuarse sais a lot about their 'racism', as I would never consider that a factor in my observations.<br /><br />I have already been warned to be not too open when discussing with foreigners, as they might feel offended. And these warnings did not come from those foreigners...<br /><br />Judge people by their actions, not by their color or heritage. And don't judge a group based on an individual's behavior. The biggest risk with the muslim community is not that they will disrupt society, but once the fundamentalists have disrupted society, they will join in, not for want, but for fear.<br /><br />The fundamentalists need to be stopped. And in order to do that, appeasers like Obama, Bloomberg, Peloci and Reid, to name just a few, need to be held accountable for their betrayal.R. Hartmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01264523962846827443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-75047430077461156332010-08-19T01:27:59.853-04:002010-08-19T01:27:59.853-04:00Another excellent article sultan.
"There is ...Another excellent article sultan.<br /> "There is no reason to build a Mosque there, except to make a statement. Rauf admitted as much early on, billing the mosque as part of a campaign of tolerance or healing."<br />Here is a kinda convoluted; but, most likely true in it's premise, article I stumbled across...<br />"Ground Zero Mosque’s Hidden Websites: Follow the Shariah"...<br />http://bigpeace.com/cbrim/2010/08/17/ground-zero-mosques-hidden-websites-follow-the-shariah/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10824857837840348620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-85906788967430259892010-08-19T00:16:13.957-04:002010-08-19T00:16:13.957-04:00THE MORE I THINK ABOUT the Ground Zero Mosque, the...THE MORE I THINK ABOUT the Ground Zero Mosque, the more I realize that New Yorkers and other Americans are fighting symbols but not daring to fight the real battle. <br /><br />Whether the mosque gets built or not, the real issue is the Islamic colonization of America. <br /><br />Constrained by the very ideals, values and laws that give the USA meaning, Americans are handing over the country to people who despise those same values. You can't win that way.<br /><br />We need a MORATORIUM ON MUSLIM IMMIGRATION. Or if that is too unpalatable, then to immigration in general. <br /><br />I just wonder whether Americans will ever create a cool-headed and multi-racial organization to demand an immigration moratorium and a stop to the economic and cultural takeover of the country by Islam. <br /><br />We need such an organization if only to get the conversation going and to dispel some taboos.<br /><br />The Tea Party is too interested in votes and in avoiding accusations of racism.<br /><br />Even the strongest opponents to this mosque rush to assure reporters that they are not opposed to the construction of mosques or to Muslims in general, only to this particular mosque and to Jihadists. <br /><br />The battle must be expanded beyond symbols and assorted cultural defensive measures to deal with the main threat.Tracy Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00518463946300763941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-39858979458757035572010-08-18T19:45:04.044-04:002010-08-18T19:45:04.044-04:00Here's the info on Rauf and the FBI.
http://w...Here's the info on Rauf and the FBI.<br /><br />http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2462Moriahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10031303390387367887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-86042150294526007142010-08-18T15:59:28.787-04:002010-08-18T15:59:28.787-04:00Fantastic again, Daniel.
Mindrider--excellent poi...Fantastic again, Daniel.<br /><br />Mindrider--excellent point. I never considered the size of the Muslim community in Manhattan. Which make such a mega mosque and Islamic Center all the more ridiculous.<br /><br />I see it in two ways--planting a flag so to speak of their perceived victory on 9/11, and an elaborate PR stunt to show people "we're not bad guys."<br /><br />Liberals will always support liberal causes.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-18834171578166959392010-08-18T15:34:41.077-04:002010-08-18T15:34:41.077-04:00Isn't there a saying that goes something like ...Isn't there a saying that goes something like this -<br /><br />"If you build it, they will come"?Sandylionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01568345538358257123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-11466988464339656022010-08-18T14:51:01.971-04:002010-08-18T14:51:01.971-04:00Excellent piece of work, Daniel!
It should be not...Excellent piece of work, Daniel!<br /><br />It should be noted that then Gov. Pataki fully endorsed the IFC until it became a political issue. <br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/29/nyregion/29blocks.html?_r=1lkorrownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-64338224747869323942010-08-18T14:36:43.257-04:002010-08-18T14:36:43.257-04:00MORE ALARMING THAN THE MOSQUE ARE THOSE HIGH PERCE...MORE ALARMING THAN THE MOSQUE ARE THOSE HIGH PERCENTAGES SUPPORTING IT.<br /><br />Daniel, the percentages of opposition to the mosque and to Islam you cite are nothing to be proud of.<br /><br />If in the freest country on Earth, with plenty of access to information, and in a city that experienced a bloody massive Muslim attack less than a decade ago the percentages against this mosque are so feeble - then God help us.<br /><br />JEWS oppose it by 66% and ONLY 49%of them have an unfavorable view of Islam!!! <br /><br />Their opposition is not much better than those of Latinos at 60% and whites at 56%. <br /><br />Personally I think this is a troubling sign of something very wrong with the mindset of non-Muslim Americans, regardless of their ethnic background and politics.<br /><br />So the Muslims destroy the Towers and kill thousands, and more than 30% of the city inhabitants still think that Muslims are just fine folks after all, and welcome their megamosque and their imams and a greater number of them hanging around. <br /><br />~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br /><br />They are building mosques everywhere, not only in NYC but all over the USA.<br /><br />It should be noted that "Build it and they will come" works for Muslims as well.<br /><br />They perfected this method in Germany. They build a small mosque in a Muslim-free neighborhood. Just a storefront. Maybe a few of them work in the area. Maybe not. But it is a method for establishing a presence so that Muslim families will begin to move into the neighborhood. And so they expand. Once they break the first barrier of timid resistance to a place of worship, they're in.<br /><br />Just as new ethnic waves displaced established ethnic groups in New York City, there may come a time when rich and middle class Muslims will begin to take over Manhattan. With or without the megamosque. What a coup that would be for Islam! <br /><br />~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br /><br />Anyway, I just want to express a BIG THANK YOU to all of those who are indefatigably vocal and active in opposing this mosque. Considering how almost half of the local population is dozing, they will have to work twice as hard.Tracy Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00518463946300763941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-70707345226595407872010-08-18T14:08:36.565-04:002010-08-18T14:08:36.565-04:00Daniel forgot to mention that the $100m will almos...Daniel forgot to mention that the $100m will almost certainly be from middle eastern oil--and that this is stolen money due to the nationalization of infrastructure built by western companies. To adopt this criticism, the US needs to change it's policy and no longer accept nationalization of western assets--particularly when the assets underwrite attacks on the west.<br /><br />Also the main organizer has links to terrorism, and shouldn't even be allowed into this country (except in a prison cell).Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05485671348128375796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-57405998553177467382010-08-18T12:39:59.753-04:002010-08-18T12:39:59.753-04:00The latest spin is now that protests against the M...The latest spin is now that protests against the Mosque are being funded by another vast right-wing conspiracy.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/aug/17/audio-rep-pelosi-calls-investigation-wtc-mosque-op/" rel="nofollow"><b>Pelosi calls for investigation of WTC mosque opposition</b></a> <br /><br />This is political ineptness on a level rarely seen. Dems should be backing away from this like the proverbial hot potato. It's like they can't help themselves, moths being drawn to the flame... <br /><br />It's also strategic stupidity on the Taqqiya Imam Rauf's part, who's doing more to expose and bring to the awareness of the average American the reality and nature of Islamic stealth jihad, than all of our warnings and efforts at persuasion could ever do.Geoffrey Britainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01663224962346593872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1314036188889867372010-08-18T10:45:57.216-04:002010-08-18T10:45:57.216-04:00that's their excuse for every single imam in t...that's their excuse for every single imam in the country<br /><br />since the FBI routinely visited local mosques after 9/11 to ask them to provide tips on "extremists", every single imam got to use this excuseDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-35941614780189864772010-08-18T10:12:48.802-04:002010-08-18T10:12:48.802-04:00There was a truly bizarre statement made on the Fo...There was a truly bizarre statement made on the Fox New 'all stars' panel discussion about the mosque yesterday. A woman (don't know her name as she was new to the panel, but she was sitting next to Charles Krauthammer) was trying to justify the mosque and ridicule its opponents. Her 'piece de resistance' was that "Imam Rauf worked with the FBI in 2003" and that this "fact" therefore proved that Rauf was "a genuine moderate, thus making a mockery of the mosque opponents claims made against him. I was very disappointed that Krauthammer did not pick her up on this, which has to go down as the dumbest statement I have seen yet on this issue.Mark Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634542433903164227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1554972311149343772010-08-18T09:49:47.472-04:002010-08-18T09:49:47.472-04:00mindrider,
yes I think it's an important poin...mindrider,<br /><br />yes I think it's an important point that really hasn't been made nearly enoughDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-17174898177325278692010-08-18T09:48:22.646-04:002010-08-18T09:48:22.646-04:00Anonymous,
it's not even 30,000 per Muslim. I...Anonymous,<br /><br />it's not even 30,000 per Muslim. It's 30,000 per resident in that zip code, regardless of religion.<br /><br />It's more likely to be about 500,000 to 1,000,000 per Muslim worshiper.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-89918255715405703022010-08-18T09:26:45.681-04:002010-08-18T09:26:45.681-04:00When Christians and Jews can build a Church and a ...When Christians and Jews can build a Church and a Synagogue next to the Kaba in Saudi, it will be OK to build a Mosque near Ground Zero.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-75600516812805772202010-08-18T08:12:52.596-04:002010-08-18T08:12:52.596-04:00The Victory Mosque is just the visible tip of a ve...The Victory Mosque is just the visible tip of a very large iceberg. Beneath the surface of Western societies, Muslims are waging a campaign of <a href="http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/muslim-subversion-sedition-and-social.html" rel="nofollow"> infiltration, subversion, sedition and social sabotage, </a> with the objective of destroying our countries and way of life from within.trencherbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11139796977075891020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-73496599279348448822010-08-18T08:11:39.230-04:002010-08-18T08:11:39.230-04:00You did not only make the "why there" ...You did not only make the "why there" clear in your blogs, but showing on top of this the total superfluousness considering the small number of Muslims in down-town Manhattan as a proof of the bad-intent.mindridernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-70739708175728877582010-08-18T06:55:57.910-04:002010-08-18T06:55:57.910-04:00A great speech
BILL WHITTLE: IN UNDERSTANDING THE...A great speech<br /><br /><b>BILL WHITTLE: IN UNDERSTANDING THE GROUND ZERO MOSQUE ONE MUST UNDERSTAND APPEASEMENT ENCOURAGES OUR ENEMIES </b>.......<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg_iDPRud_c&feature=player_embedded#at=602Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-36494866274901373032010-08-18T04:19:11.056-04:002010-08-18T04:19:11.056-04:00Apart from the common decency issue - the numbers ...Apart from the common decency issue - the numbers themselves are disgusting £30,000 per Muslim! And you're right, most of those Chinese will call themselves Asian instead of oriental, as it's flavour of the month, and people have learned they're more likely to get the job if they tick the Asian box. This is something I'd not thought about and it needs to be brought out into the open and discussed to the authorities of your 'new, transparent government' - I'm going to pass this piece onto my MP, as what happens in the big apple, happens to us.<br /><br />Politics = The art/science (methods/tactics/activities) of governing a nation. Islam is a religion, and politic; they claim in the Qur'an that they are at war with us, so the rules of war have changed so our attitude to Islam (submission) must change now the boundary between religion and politics is blurred. The white house is effectively flying the Hamas flag, but outsiders don't see Washington as the capital, we all think it's New York. NY stands for America in our eyes.<br /><br />And the other day, just want to say sorry for putting that point about wine/joy/spirit in, couldn't resist it, I was thinking about the Shiiite Ayatolla Khomeni's quote:<br /><br />"There are no jokes in Islam,<br /> there is no humour in Islam,<br /> there is no fun in Islam,<br />There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious"<br /><br />What I'd been reading seemed like a warning and just sounded like this lot who are politicizing away our world with their religion, with kuffr money under the flag of 'religious tolerance'. So again apologies. kbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-27322680016197169402010-08-18T02:08:30.481-04:002010-08-18T02:08:30.481-04:00Yes, we know. And Obama has handed the Republican...Yes, we know. And Obama has handed the Republicans a ripe plum, which has already roiled the waters among the Democrats. Yep, Mr Jughead is making this almost too easy.<br /><br />Those Dumbocrats who aren't distancing themselves from his campaign financing soiree will wish they had.<br /><br />Thanks for all your work, Daniel.No Apologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04572493844157464978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-34450252836004364172010-08-17T23:55:15.608-04:002010-08-17T23:55:15.608-04:00It is such a basic thing to see that the mosque is...It is such a basic thing to see that the mosque is wrong. People have fallen downhill so far to think that any of this could be right.Chana @ Lemon Lime Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11656854855385193867noreply@blogger.com