tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post8072152767377664430..comments2024-03-18T19:14:18.804-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : A Moment of Truth in IsraelDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-64416071669874053152012-11-19T18:08:07.697-05:002012-11-19T18:08:07.697-05:00DP111 wrote..
The real tragedy is that Israel, ha...DP111 wrote..<br /><br />The real tragedy is that Israel, has lost the opportunity to acquire strategic defensive land.<br /><br />If in the eighties, Israel had openly announced, that terrorism against Israel would lead not just to retaliation, but the permanent non-negotiable incorporation of parts Judea and Samaria into Israel, or Gaza, it would have stopped the Jihad immediately. The Jihadis in Hamas would also have discouraged their Marxist allies to stop provoking Israel, for that would lead to loss of territory. The Jihad ids about territory where sharia can be enforced. Allah is mightily displeased if a once Muslim land is conquered by "Infidels". No houris for the Jihadis.<br /> <br />Such a policy would have earned Israel not just respect, but strategic as well as historic land, that should be in historic Israel. It would make clear to the America and Europe that Israel was not a pushover but had to be treated with respect.<br /><br />Frankly, Israel’s present dire predicament lies not with Hamas or the Lefty Westerners, but with its past leaders, and those who elected them.<br /><br />Its not too late to start.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-4362835744687084172012-11-19T13:34:52.682-05:002012-11-19T13:34:52.682-05:00["Palestinian" Authority] ... despite be...["Palestinian" Authority] ... despite being the biggest welfare state on the planet, it's still completely incapable of taking care of itself.<br /><br /><a href="http://sultanknish.blogspot.cz/2011/12/in-post-news-environment-media-no.html" rel="nofollow">A Badly Invented People</a><br />Leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09675076348134024844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-22277411659480704182012-11-19T13:26:46.100-05:002012-11-19T13:26:46.100-05:00It's disheartening to read a headline on A7 ab...It's disheartening to read a headline on A7 about Lieberman threatening to call off the negotiations until the rockets stop.<br /><br />Seriously?<br /><br />:( Hamas wants genocide and an Israeli leaders threatens to stop talking to them?Keliatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11413494251297514882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-83273480357730055572012-11-19T13:25:19.573-05:002012-11-19T13:25:19.573-05:00:(
A gloomy thought but I have a feeling that Gaz...:(<br /><br />A gloomy thought but I have a feeling that Gazans and the Islamic world are debating whether to attempt to wipe out the Jewish people in one fell swoop with a nuclear attack or destroy it generation upon generation to prolong the suffering and fuel their sadistic natures.<br /><br />Either way, they're holding their own formal or informal negotiations on which approach to take. Either way we're talking about genocide.<br /><br />Should Israel fight with victory as its primary objective or surrender? The red flag or the white flag? The answer is obvious.Keliatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11413494251297514882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-77611868315100892662012-11-19T12:18:03.969-05:002012-11-19T12:18:03.969-05:00Israeli leaders could learn a lot if they read the...Israeli leaders could learn a lot if they read the Sultan and took his advice! Farms would definitely be better than launch pads. <br />Linked you up, here:<br />http://marezilla.com/2012/11/israel-defends-against-annihilation-world-tells-them-to-use-restraint/<br />Zillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11284986414729616917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-16468272234710103632012-11-19T09:56:51.540-05:002012-11-19T09:56:51.540-05:00Brilliant analysis.
I have a modest proposal that...Brilliant analysis.<br /><br />I have a modest proposal that would provide a permanent and incremental solution for the Gaza problem. See http://eliyahu2u.wordpress.com/, where I start from very similar premises as you, but reach an interesting conclusion.<br /><br />Enjoy, EdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-34615010071173871722012-11-19T05:39:46.140-05:002012-11-19T05:39:46.140-05:001 - Imagine for a moment that the "palestinia...1 - Imagine for a moment that the "palestinian" side of the conflict fully accepted reasonable requirements of Israelis and made peace. And then what, they will suddenly need to learn to live like civilized people, to respect alien cultures, to treat aliens like equals, to change attitude towards their women and children, to work for a living, to produce and to sell goods, to compete in the marketplace, while receiving little or no external aid and support, all that peacefully and without thick fog of physical and propaganda wars? Without the actual cultural and civilizational achievements to use as a foundation, to build upon, and without re-assessing and re-working considerable parts of their "religion of peace" manual and education system, all that sounds pretty much like a science fiction. Remove from Islam its inherent violence and hatred and murder, and how much of substance is left?<br /><br />2 - Opinions and perceptions and feelings of bleeding hearts of the world is one thing, and the actual life, well being and long term existence of the Israeli nation is quite another. The disputed territories cannot and will not remain "disputed" forever. Either they will belong to Israel - or they will belong to somebody else.Leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09675076348134024844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-55760462423370617112012-11-19T00:35:49.624-05:002012-11-19T00:35:49.624-05:00"Cast Lead" was a half-hearted effort. ..."Cast Lead" was a half-hearted effort. It bought 4 years of semi-peace, notwithstanding a number of rockets, and the Hamasians used the interval to re-arm. All predictable, of course.<br /><br />Israel must now absolutely destroy Hamas, despite any objection from Obama.Nomadic100https://www.blogger.com/profile/04057364266701756715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-84882951863415811452012-11-18T20:10:33.767-05:002012-11-18T20:10:33.767-05:00Anony--That's the key.
But Israelis have to ...Anony--That's the key. <br /><br />But Israelis have to decide if they want to recapture Gaza or surrender it and accept a "Palestinian" state.<br /><br />Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-72172525475699462662012-11-18T18:33:24.054-05:002012-11-18T18:33:24.054-05:00God will help and protect Israel. One of His wishe...God will help and protect Israel. One of His wishes may be for Israel go retake Gaza and repopulate it with productive Jews. Driving out militants without returning Gaza to Israel is naive and futile. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-31587452513581584562012-11-18T17:11:49.924-05:002012-11-18T17:11:49.924-05:00Invade, crush Hamas, I. Jihad etc. Annex Gaza and...Invade, crush Hamas, I. Jihad etc. Annex Gaza and put up some nice resorts on the beach, let the current Gazans go back to Egypt. It seems that is what THEY want, and too bad if it is not. <br /><br />It took the complete wipeout of Berlin to end the 2nd World War, and then 2 nukes on the other side of the world, because the leaders in both Germany and Japan cared nothing about their people. Hamas is no different. End this thing already. We already get all the opprobrium, so who cares already? <br /><br />End this. Do what is needed to be done. And it will send a better message to Nasrallah and the rest of the scum. Monoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-19693705860217090762012-11-18T17:04:27.617-05:002012-11-18T17:04:27.617-05:00First, Debby, you must have been reading the stuff...First, Debby, you must have been reading the stuff I have read. Terrorism is a tactic, usually used in guerrilla wars. The terrorists, whether part of a nationalist uprising, outside revolutionary party or whatever need a state sponsor and safe havens to win. The US needed help from France and a large segment of the local populace. Hamas is backed by Egypt and others and has the leftist MSM to boot. <br /><br />Sultan, you point out an interesting dilemna faced by Israel. The problem at its most basic is that Israelis in general and Jews in particular tend to be moral people. Like everyone else there are the bad actors, but in general you have no desire to kill or injure anyone unless there are no alternatives. Unfortunately, Israel's neighbors do not see it the same way. There is no sadness or regret when women, children, babies, or babushkas get murdered by Hamas or the Jihadi du jour. Had the Israeli's cleared Gaza and the west bank in 1967 like they did the Golan, there would have been a world wide moan and groan, but soon the world would have found something else to get excited about. <br /><br />Unfortunately, the mess is far more complex now and there really is no easy answer. Ultimately, something will have to give. At $40,000 a pop, the Iron Dome is only temporizing and can be overwhelmed. Eventually, I suspect that eventually Egypt will roll it's big US tanks and when that happens, it will not be pretty. You can bet the US will be drawn in, regardless of whether BHO, Romney, or Yogi Bear is in the White House.SoCal Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-33527704000236584352012-11-18T16:47:49.102-05:002012-11-18T16:47:49.102-05:00Israel is going to have borders with Arabs somewhe...Israel is going to have borders with Arabs somewhere, and it won't be far from Israels major urban areas. From wherever they are the Palis will launch rockets. Gaza is as good a palce as any.<br /><br />My favorite Gaza idea is to have the Egyptians offer the Copts a refuge in Gaza, and move the Muslims to where the Copts are now. Fat Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09554029467445000453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-52187188588378024002012-11-18T16:25:37.722-05:002012-11-18T16:25:37.722-05:00Mr Greenfield, you haven't addressed the most ...Mr Greenfield, you haven't addressed the most interesting question re Hamas, which is 'why now?'<br /><br />And the answer is money. And survival.<br /><br />Hamas, unfortunately for them, chose what turned out to be the wrong side to support. As you say, Iran is now well known to be their chief backer. The situation in Syria has made that toxic, so they have been backing away. They can no longer accept support from Iran without being seen as traitors to the Sunni and Brotherhood cause. And because of the war in Syria replacement funding from Sunni's will not be forthcoming.<br /><br />Without financial support from donors Hamas will wither in Gaza. They won't be able to pay salaries and will lose supporters to Fatah (who can bring in EU money) and to Islamic Jihad.<br /><br />And what brings this to a head now is the upcoming vote on PA observer status in the UN. If Hamas lets this through unchallenged they will lose all chance of power in the West Bank. With their power in Gaza also in danger Hamas almost certainly sees their current situation as being a threat to their existence as a movement.<br /><br />How do they keep their position in Gaza and regain financial support from Sunni's? There is one way, and only one way, for them to do this. They must mobilise the Sunni-on-the-street to force support from the Sunni grandees. And the only way to do that is to be on every news report "heroically resisting" the Israeli Army.<br /> <br />So this whole new conflict is about money and Hamas' fight for its own survival...not against Israel but against the PA/Fatah.<br /><br />The bet that Hamas is making is that the Israelis will not do as you say - occupy the whole of Gaza and evict the Hamas leadership - whereupon Fatah would then take over and purge any remaining Hamas supporters. This bet is worth taking for Hamas because without this war in their own estimation they will lose their place in Gaza to Fatah or even to Islamic Jihad anyway. Netanyahu knows this, which is why he is lining up a very very large ground force along the border - to send the message to Hamas that they cannot bank on winning this bet, and must work harder to find a compromise outcome.<br /><br />I don't think Hamas can dare compromise without risking their own destruction (due to no money), so I expect Ismail Haniyeh and 'senior Hamas representatives' will soon be visiting Egypt for "extended discussions" in case Israel drops the hammer and takes the Rafah crossing and the tunnels to keep the rats all in, ready for the ratcatchers.Erichttp://catallaxyfiles.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-64186543632418746952012-11-18T15:18:14.265-05:002012-11-18T15:18:14.265-05:00Bibi is smart. Strong, is not the first word that ...Bibi is smart. Strong, is not the first word that springs to mind.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-91820289807569133382012-11-18T14:56:05.005-05:002012-11-18T14:56:05.005-05:00Oh, I forgot to state the obvious: Your article -...Oh, I forgot to state the obvious: Your article - as usual - hits (all) the nail(s) on its (their) head(s). Not that it makes me sleep any easier, but thank you!Ritahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01905667628853229999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-86962805709207066942012-11-18T14:53:48.459-05:002012-11-18T14:53:48.459-05:00"Yup all nonsense.
Gaza was nothing like Le...<i>"Yup all nonsense. <br /><br />Gaza was nothing like Lebanon. There were never going to be rockets from Gaza. <br /><br />West Bank is nothing like Gaza. The Galilee is nothing like the West Bank. Jerusalem will never be endangered. <br /><br />Air raid sirens in Tel Aviv? You're talking crazy here. "</i><br /><br />Yes, I too think (hope!) that this "anonymous" was doing irony! ;)<br /><br />Sultan Knish: I think that Bibi is as strong a leader as Israel is likely to get at the moment...what do you think?<br /><br /><br /><br />Ritahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01905667628853229999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1003713289229311362012-11-18T14:41:02.428-05:002012-11-18T14:41:02.428-05:00@ Anonymous: It does not take much brains to kill ...@ Anonymous: It does not take much brains to kill everything in sight. On the contrary, it takes severe lack of cognitive capacity. Not to mention such silly unnecessary things as reason, beliefs and morals that stand in the way.Leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09675076348134024844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-69288139872354405962012-11-18T14:04:45.110-05:002012-11-18T14:04:45.110-05:00Well all you need is, Tankdozers,flame-throwers, L...Well all you need is, Tankdozers,flame-throwers, Lots of H-E, tanks and troops.(Oh!! wait you all ready have that) Start at the top and kill everything alive in gaza-EVERYTHING. Then go to the west bank- ECT. and do the same thing.A little nerve gas in the caves and cellers will make things go much faster. Extrminate them. Problem solved forever. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-91146080192909383092012-11-18T11:42:50.107-05:002012-11-18T11:42:50.107-05:00May God protect and help Israel.
LuisMay God protect and help Israel.<br /><br />LuisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-58205897339875006872012-11-18T11:02:47.211-05:002012-11-18T11:02:47.211-05:00Yup all nonsense.
Gaza was nothing like Lebanon....Yup all nonsense. <br /><br />Gaza was nothing like Lebanon. There were never going to be rockets from Gaza. <br /><br />West Bank is nothing like Gaza. The Galilee is nothing like the West Bank. Jerusalem will never be endangered. <br /><br />Air raid sirens in Tel Aviv? You're talking crazy here. Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-21366219662398319482012-11-18T10:55:44.105-05:002012-11-18T10:55:44.105-05:00I doubt most Israelis consider this to be "A ...I doubt most Israelis consider this to be "A Moment of Truth" You mean more so than Oct 1973 or June 1967 or Summer 1982????? As for West Bank, it is nothing like Gaza. This is just typical hyperbole we hear from some of Israel's US supporters. Most Israelis dont share such views.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-17581933175277982222012-11-18T09:44:51.688-05:002012-11-18T09:44:51.688-05:00"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to re..."War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over." --William Tecumseh Sherman<br /><br />If one goes to war, then make total war. No mercy, no quarter given.<br /><br />Or to quote Conan the Barbarian when asked, "What is best in life?"<br /><br />"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."<br /><br />I don't think the Israelis have the will to engage at that level of violence, and that will result in a never-ending war with Hamas, Hezbollah, and the so-called Palestinians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-55503924962702551842012-11-18T09:30:30.737-05:002012-11-18T09:30:30.737-05:00Lena Bosinova (Google Ru-En translation)
Remember...<a href="http://bosinova.rjews.net" rel="nofollow">Lena Bosinova</a> (<a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbosinova.rjews.net" rel="nofollow">Google Ru-En translation</a>)<br /><br /><a href="http://sultanknish.blogspot.cz/2007/07/remembering-flame-that-burned.html" rel="nofollow">Remembering the Flame that Burned</a><br />Leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09675076348134024844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-19862778048207358662012-11-18T09:20:35.239-05:002012-11-18T09:20:35.239-05:00A practical matter though, Israel needs to sever e...A practical matter though, Israel needs to sever every last material connection to Gaza. No lights, power, fuel, water, trucks or people or anything. <br /><br />Everyone is clear that Hamas doesn't want a state it wants dead Jews. ALL the dead Jews, everywhere. None the less they mouth the words of liberal west and the tenured professors who talk about post colonialism etc. So - if we take at their word, even if we know their word is trash, then cut them loose and tell them to make a go of it on their own. Let them keep the lights on the toilets flushing the trash picked up. Let them manage whatever trade with Egypt they need by land or sea. If they decide that the best use of that is to starve their own populace to death while focusing on more weapons a la North Korea, fine. Let them all starve then. In the meantime every projectile flying in to Israel is an act of war and will be met with 10:1 force. <br /><br />And then stop entertaining any sort of discussion through third parties with them. Just ignore it and invoke the Khartoum Conference Declaration of 1967 - "The Three No's".<br /><br />No further action is required. Israel is permanently at war with Gaza.Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.com