tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post8007855434198423116..comments2024-03-29T08:36:39.917-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : A Russian Made Disaster in KyrgyzstanDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-91723689745119685122010-06-17T14:39:24.569-04:002010-06-17T14:39:24.569-04:00Unless you're proposing Cossacks will save Rus...Unless you're proposing Cossacks will save Russia as an ethnic group, then terror units are exactly what we're talking about. Hence your own reference to severed heads.<br /><br />At no point in time did Stalin or anyone in the USSR adopt a pro-Jewish ethnic approach. Jews were expected to assimilate. Jewish separatism was banned. Brief exceptions such as Birobidzhan or some permitted Jewish culture were only transitions to a final crackdown.<br /><br />They did not have Jewish army units, integrate the Rabbinate or talk about a Jewish majority in Russia. <br /><br />As for the essay you linked to, the key phrase is here<br /><br />"Instead, it is likely that the next few decades will see stagnant or slow population growth as Russian fertility patterns converge to that of France or Canada, with any shortfalls between births and deaths filled in by immigration"<br /><br />How much of that immigration will be Slavic?<br /><br />Anatoly claims;<br /><br />"Alarmist analysts like Daniel Pipes and Paul Goble, Islamic fundamentalists and certain plain demented Russophobe bloggers raise the specter of Russia's transformation into a majority Muslim nation within the next 50 years."<br /><br />I believe he means the very Russophobic Pravda, which is of course run by Daniel Pipes<br /><br />http://english.pravda.ru/russia/history/105837-russia-islam-0Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-3636114240325089672010-06-17T12:41:10.151-04:002010-06-17T12:41:10.151-04:00A final note on the subject of Russia:
Here is a ...A final note on the subject of Russia:<br /><br />Here is a bit about Russian demographics from an actual demographer, and not a polemicist. It took me some work to find this stuff in English.<br /><br />http://www.russiablog.org/2009/04/russias_fertility_future.php<br /><br />As for "pro-Moslem path", I suggest you look at Stalin's "pro-Jewish" path before the Case of the Doctors. Your problem is ignorance of Russia. The same ignorance that causes you to misidentify Cossacks as "terror units" instead of a heavily mythologized national-ethnic group, like the dati leumi or the cowboys of the American West.<br /><br />I will not even dignify BabbaZee with a response. Go read the Tanakh and you will see what I am talking about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-5558650213030155732010-06-17T11:53:41.101-04:002010-06-17T11:53:41.101-04:00Those talking about Hezekiah and at the same time ...Those talking about Hezekiah and at the same time condemning "virulent nationalism" ought to read, again, the account of Hezekiah's reign.<br /><br />"Those who speak about the reign of Hezekiah" will stand on the word of GOD. <br /><br />You are free stand on the words of man.BabbaZeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191152229117528743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-17468695406674849882010-06-17T11:43:14.299-04:002010-06-17T11:43:14.299-04:00Putin might play at it, but he's no Stalin. An...Putin might play at it, but he's no Stalin. And he's already chosen a pro-Muslim path. <br /><br />The Church alone is not going to solve the demographics. The propaganda for hero mothers has been around for a while. It hasn't worked. I'm not too sure anything will at this point. Because everyone is in the same boat. Even Japan.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-74005690764549079122010-06-17T10:44:23.599-04:002010-06-17T10:44:23.599-04:00Those talking about Hezekiah and at the same time ...Those talking about Hezekiah and at the same time condemning "virulent nationalism" ought to read, again, the account of Hezekiah's reign.<br /><br />As for Putin "trying to find higher birth rates", he has found them. It just takes time. Do not compare the Russian Orthodox Church with the Catholic Church. These are vastly different institutions. The power of the former is waxing. The power of the latter is waning. <br /><br />When the time comes, abortion and contraception will be banned, women will be barred from the workplace and from the universities and childbearing will be trumpeted by the media as the highest career for a proper Russian woman. The Church is just not strong enough for this. Yet.<br /><br />And do not talk about Putin schtupping a Moslem woman. Remember, Stalin had a Jewish wife. This did not prevent him from plotting to exterminate the Jews.<br /><br />The Russians will not go "full Hitler". They will go Full Stalin.<br /><br />But I see this discussion is serving no useful purpose. You are all locked into your favorite American trope -- seeing the world as if all people everywhere are the same, have the same goals, aspirations and desires. Only when you abandon this false premise will you be able to understand what is really happening in Russia, Central Asia and, incidentally, Israel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-53728451851098596172010-06-16T18:11:08.545-04:002010-06-16T18:11:08.545-04:00By then I expect a lot of Muslim countries will ha...By then I expect a lot of Muslim countries will have nuclear capability. Or none of them will have independent countries.<br /><br />Russian Muslims once properly Islamized will be against Israel and all the other infidels.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-90428497164127281922010-06-16T17:57:10.466-04:002010-06-16T17:57:10.466-04:00except that Russia has nuclear weapons able to tak...except that Russia has nuclear weapons able to take on the US, and all the oil and minerals that the moslem nations have, and the Arab nations maybe will dump the US which is propping up all the moderate sheikhs, which Hizbut Tahir and their own people detest, <br /><br />the USA will be at a big disadvantage then, because south america has waited for this, and will be with Russia.<br /><br />the good news is that the Russian Moslem are not anti Israel. This may be good for Israel. I never did trust the USA pretend to support us, but only do so as a buffer against Islamists,Kuffurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-49834996185634362002010-06-16T17:37:42.565-04:002010-06-16T17:37:42.565-04:00We're already indirectly at war with Russia, s...We're already indirectly at war with Russia, since Russia still not only serves as the arms dealer for our enemies, but also deliberately stirs up trouble to exploit to their advantage and our of resentment<br /><br />obviously if Islam displaces the Russian Orthodox Church, we'll be seeing Russia take a more Iranian type roleDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-76194578584869283652010-06-16T16:25:24.773-04:002010-06-16T16:25:24.773-04:00Someone above said the Russian population is 11% m...Someone above said the Russian population is 11% moslem . it is not. Its much higher, in fact nearly half is Moslem already, Russia now calls itself Moslem country after joining OCI the Caliphate of today all the Moslem nations represent the OCI<br /><br />apparently Putin was twice rejected by the OCI but now Russia is an honorary member and brags about it.They see it as something to be proud of to be called Moslem country. Putin had a Moslem mistress, a gymnast who had his son,<br /><br />I also think this is where the US is headed too, if the left the Moslems ally's stay in power.<br /><br />Knish what do you think of Pipes take? if moslems take over the military they may take on the US in war as revenge, i think<br /><br />http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/08/predicting-a-majority-muslim-russia<br /><br /><br /><br />the possibility of Muslims taking over parts of the military in a decade or two or three. They appear as heedless of this problem as the American government. … The Russians are not factoring in the renewed appeal of Islam for some Muslims in Russia, especially in the Caucasus but also in Moscow itself, .<br /><br />June 24, 2009 update: Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev addressed a meeting of the Arab League in Cairo that "Islam is an inalienable part of Russian history and culture, given that more than 20 million Russian citizens are among the faithful. Consequently, he said, "Russia does not need to seek friendship with the Muslim world: Our country is an organic part of this world." <br /><br />July 15, 2009 update: More from Medvedev, this time while visiting the Central Mosque in Moscow, where he stressed the importance of Islam in the Russia. "Russia is a multi-national and multi-confessional country. Russian Muslims have enough respect and influence. Muslim foundations are making an important contribution to promoting peace in society, providing spiritual and moral education for many people, as well as fighting extremism and xenophobia. There are 182 ethnic groups living in Russia, and 57 of them claim Islam as their main religion. This figure speaks for itself." He also promised the government would continue to assist with funding organizations to train imams and teachers.<br /><br />///////////////////////<br /><br />Russia's Muslim Population<br />How Russian Muslims are influencing Moscow's foreign policy <br />Jun 25, 2008 Vincent Gagnon-Lefebvre <br />http://russia.suite101.com/article.cfm/russias_muslim_population<br />Russia's growing Muslim population is changing the way Russia sees itself and has direct influence on Moscow's foreign policy. <br /><br /> Russia's Muslim Population: How Russian Muslims are influencing Moscow's foreign policy http://russia.suite101.com/article.cfm/russias_muslim_population#ixzz0r37dLGLrKuffurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-41563382399820552952010-06-16T16:05:49.830-04:002010-06-16T16:05:49.830-04:002 Chronicles 32:26
Then Hezekiah repented of the p...2 Chronicles 32:26<br />Then Hezekiah repented of the pride of his heart, as did the people of Jerusalem; therefore the LORD's wrath did not come upon them during the days of Hezekiah.BabbaZeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191152229117528743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-40517784856528431562010-06-16T15:37:36.839-04:002010-06-16T15:37:36.839-04:00"The Russians are bringing back the Russian E..."The Russians are bringing back the Russian Empire piece by piece. They know full well that this is the only solution to the demographic problem."<br /><br /><br />Virulent nationalism has never solved any problem in the past...<br />on the contrary it always leads to copious blood <br /><br />Virulent universalism has never solved any problem in the past...<br />on the contrary it always leads to copious blood<br /><br />IMO <br />there is no secular solution<br />no political solution<br />no military solution<br />no organized "religious" solution <br /><br />the only solution is to make like Hezekiah - he was the only one who was able to save Jerusalem<br /><br />see Second Chronicles. <br /><br />I'm just a watchman on a wall. The Torah is history's DNA. We keep doing the same thing over and over with different actors, costumes and soundtracks, and expecting a different result. I believe the secular shrinks would agree that is the definition of insane. <br /><br />People will do anything under the sun except look to GOD and repent. <br /><br />You may now hurl invectives if you so desire. Makes zero difference to me.<br /><br />~ Just another crazy JudenBabbaZeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191152229117528743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-18917675537763284412010-06-16T15:23:31.744-04:002010-06-16T15:23:31.744-04:00I'm aware of what the cossacks are, but terror...I'm aware of what the cossacks are, but terror units are not going to salvage the situation. Any side can field terror units. It's not a particular achievement. And terror units are of no use against demographics, unless Putin goes Full Hitler.<br /><br />Russia's rulers have been reading graphs for a while, and trying to fund higher birth rates, with no real result. Putin hasn't had a whole lot more luck. <br /><br />The Church will not salvage the situation. The Catholic Church hasn't done it in even the most Catholic countries in Europe. And if anything Russia has modernized more since the USSR.<br /><br />Russia is still on track to demographic suicide. Nothing Putin has done has changed that. And its rulers seem to accept a Muslim majority as acceptable if they remain in power.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-47215864328034547692010-06-16T14:42:48.794-04:002010-06-16T14:42:48.794-04:00"The Cossacks aren't going to be a whole ..."The Cossacks aren't going to be a whole lot of use in the 21st century."<br /><br />LOL. Do you think they still ride horses and swing sabers? What do you think is a Cossack, pray tell? Cossacks were certainly of great use, for example, when Abkhaz, Chechen and Cossack troops had a three-way soccer game in Gagra, using the heads of Georgian prisoners. That was 20 years ago, when the Cossacks were just barely being reborn.<br /><br />Daniel, you need to learn A LOT about that part of the world.<br /><br /><br />"And not much use demographically unless they can begin having 12 children a piece."<br /><br />Really? You think? Why do you think the Hosts have been reconstituted? Why are the uniforms back, and the churches and the culture, if not for this purpose? Seriously, Daniel, do you think Russia's rulers are stupid or can't read a graph?<br /><br /><br />The Russians are bringing back the Russian Empire piece by piece. They know full well that this is the only solution to the demographic problem. Yes, they will bring up the Russian birth rate. They will also significantly increase the non-Russian death rate if they have to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-23856688341915737202010-06-15T23:14:29.988-04:002010-06-15T23:14:29.988-04:00Used to would be the operative word, yes.
I'm...Used to would be the operative word, yes.<br /><br />I'm sure you can come up with a better rebuttal of these facts than a metaphor from a deceased mentally ill British Communist.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-69931583742840921682010-06-15T23:07:36.505-04:002010-06-15T23:07:36.505-04:00Dude, I used to live in this area for 30 years... ...Dude, I used to live in this area for 30 years... "Russia's coup against the Bakiyev government... Tulip Revolution leveraged Uzbek separatists... Otunbayeva government has sought their support by giving them a pass. Including amnesty for Hizb ut Tahir..."... so on...<br />Where did you pick up your info and What kind of delirium you had writing this article?...<br />It seems to me that Graham Greene had you in his mind depicting Quiet American...Alex from Canadanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-10481159132751992772010-06-15T21:51:29.646-04:002010-06-15T21:51:29.646-04:00Kyrgyz interim leader Roza Otunbayeva on Tuesday a...Kyrgyz interim leader Roza Otunbayeva on Tuesday again asked Russia to send troops to help quell the violence in southern Kyrgyzstan, according to reports reaching here from the Kyrgyz capital of Bishkek.<br /><br />The interim government was negotiating with Russian officials for the possible deployment of Russian troops to separate the conflicting ethnic groups, Otunbayeva said.<br /><br />She said the order that Kyrgyz troops could "shoot to kill" the mobs was not executed at all, so Kyrgyzstan needed the military aid from Russia.<br /><br />She said Kyrgyz soldiers and police could not rein in the violent situation in the southern part of the country.<br /><br />http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-06/16/c_13352082.htmBabbaZeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191152229117528743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1873515454354010952010-06-15T21:16:34.457-04:002010-06-15T21:16:34.457-04:00http://www.eurasianet.org/node/61306
Afghan Resupp...http://www.eurasianet.org/node/61306<br />Afghan Resupply Route Entangled in Central Asian 'Cold War'<br /><br />http://www.theage.com.au/world/powers-caught-up-in-central-asias-new-great-game-20100615-yd75.html<br />Powers caught up in central Asia's new 'great game'BabbaZeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191152229117528743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-27531169910541427142010-06-15T20:05:54.631-04:002010-06-15T20:05:54.631-04:00Russian policies, like European policies, are gear...Russian policies, like European policies, are geared toward coopting Islam. What they fail to realize is that Islam is coopting them.<br /><br />BINGO, Sultan.BabbaZeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191152229117528743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-69596228357338208512010-06-15T18:28:10.266-04:002010-06-15T18:28:10.266-04:00The Cossacks aren't going to be a whole lot of...The Cossacks aren't going to be a whole lot of use in the 21st century. And not much use demographically unless they can begin having 12 children a piece.<br /><br />Russian policies, like European policies, are geared toward coopting Islam. What they fail to realize is that Islam is coopting them.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-77433390395117234132010-06-15T16:10:42.184-04:002010-06-15T16:10:42.184-04:00Jazgul,
About your #3 enlightenment for the autho...Jazgul, <br />About your #3 enlightenment for the author:<br />Grandmother says, "Honestly Dear, while pursuing the Holy Grail of fact-correction Missions, CHECK GOOGLE NOW for the term "typographical error", which is the obvious explanation for "Nootak" versus "Nookat" in the article. <br />Lowered distraction levels could free up intellectual energy for actually trying to substantiate your final statement<br />--> "Other thing are not based on facts and only is author's imagination.", which you left entirely open to, guess what? Our imaginations."2sloehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687684487054065583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-87452623974561734002010-06-15T14:30:35.805-04:002010-06-15T14:30:35.805-04:00@jlp4221: The Red Army used the Black Plague, sta...@jlp4221: The Red Army used the Black Plague, starvation and poison gas extensively in the late 1920s in Central Asia.<br /><br />@Daniel: Projected does not equal fait accompli. I repeat, again, there is a reason why Cossack hosts have been reconstituted. If Putin's mild policies fail, the Russian national flag will change from red-white-blue to white-black-gold. The which I do not look forward to at all as a Jew. But the Moslems will get screwed either way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-70334353372589874242010-06-15T13:44:19.589-04:002010-06-15T13:44:19.589-04:00Otunbaeva left only after taking power to maintain...Otunbaeva left only after taking power to maintain the farce that this wasn't a political coup.<br /><br />I never claimed Otunbaeva endorsed Hizb ut Tahir, however her party's willingness to pardon Hizb ut Tahir members panders to a dangerous Islamist organization.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-9866459346774327152010-06-15T13:16:20.409-04:002010-06-15T13:16:20.409-04:00Author makes judgments based on wrong information....Author makes judgments based on wrong information. Several things that are not true (from the bottom): <br />1. Otunbaeva is no longer a member of Social Democratic Party since May 2010. <br />2. Hizb ut Tahir is in a list of terrorist organizations and never could be endorsed or approved (very stupid of author) by Otunbaeva. <br />3. it is not Nootak Incident but Nookat Incident (check google now) it was fabricated case of Bakievs to suppress opposition. <br />Other thing are not based on facts and only is author's imagination.Jazgulhttp://twitter.com/jazgulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-32009227470696830072010-06-15T10:30:31.230-04:002010-06-15T10:30:31.230-04:00The Byzantines thought they could use Islam too, f...The Byzantines thought they could use Islam too, for their own ends. <br /><br />Anybody heard of the Byzantine Empire lately?<br /><br />TalkinKamelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-56753722976477132082010-06-15T10:30:31.231-04:002010-06-15T10:30:31.231-04:00Non-Moslem Russians are pretty much a dying breed ...Non-Moslem Russians are pretty much a dying breed at this point. <br /><br />These guys can't even keep themselves alive, and they think they're going to manage the Moslems?<br /><br />TalkinKamelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com