tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post6799022781584350945..comments2024-03-28T13:47:08.047-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : How Environmentalists Cause War and RepressionDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-52388824060923209582011-06-28T19:52:01.396-04:002011-06-28T19:52:01.396-04:00I am not persuaded that Western industrial decline...I am not persuaded that Western industrial decline ensues from zealous environmental policing.- There are very many factors involved in Western industrial decline. To blame everything on environmentalists is absurd. I have seen no evidence that this charge is true. It sounds like a baseless rumour. <br /><br />Furthermore the widespread belief that advanced countries are more environmentally concerned than poor countries is utterly false. Likewise the belief that environmentalism arose recently in response to political ideology. In the industrialized countrys there is a tradition of many decades of popular-based struggle against pollution that owes nothing to ideology and a lot to common sense. <br /><br />I notice that none of the people who wrote these letters seems to have ever studied how environmental resistance developed. They instead speculate in a fact-free zone that allows their ideologies to fabricate the conclusions most appealing to them. <br /><br />Read Wilensky, Rich Democracies, pages 206 and following . <br /><br />All international agreements to restrict DDT have large loopholes that fully exempt from the ban the use of DDT to fight malaria. It is peculiar that nobody ever mentions this fact. <br /><br />TequilaKidTequilaKidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298564476401345980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-45844198249128571982011-06-21T17:53:52.906-04:002011-06-21T17:53:52.906-04:00UCSD Professor Emeritus Herbert Marcuse formulated...UCSD Professor Emeritus Herbert Marcuse formulated ecology in political terms:<br />http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/posthumous/79MarcuseEcologyCritiqueModernSociety1992CapNatSoc.pdf<br /><br />1979 essay "Ecology and the Critique of Modern Society"<br />reviewed in http://www.uta.edu/huma/illuminations/kell11.htm<br /><br />I recall taking notes during his guest lecture to my wilderness class and stopping mid-sentence when he mentioned "re-structuring society" to remove the <i>thanatos</i> of pollution.MichelleInSanDiegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12304546637598883600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-10972887566807616672011-06-20T21:37:00.270-04:002011-06-20T21:37:00.270-04:00Daniel: Brilliant essay, as usual, and eloquently ...Daniel: Brilliant essay, as usual, and eloquently written. But I think you write from a false premise, that the environmentalists down deep really want to “save the planet” or make life “more meaningful” by reducing everyone’s standard of living to about the level of the Dark Ages. I think you’re about two syllogisms short of conceding that it isn’t life that the environmentalists pursue: It’s death. The death of everyone, even of Islamists and themselves. People who advocate suicide as an ideology, as the environmentalists do, actually mean that they themselves hate existence, hate the earth, hate everything. But they haven’t the resolve to remove themselves from existence and leave the rest of us alone. If they do that, they know that anyone who loves existence will be able to live without them, and enjoying life. They’ll be dead. So they want to take everyone with them. What they worship is non-existence: that is, a zero. If they can’t find value in existence, then their ideology commands them to destroy that value.Edward Clinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160209827969614964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-7551347801686860712011-06-20T21:02:48.003-04:002011-06-20T21:02:48.003-04:00the water and air may have been polluted, but at l...the water and air may have been polluted, but at least everyone had jobs!<br /><br />Now the air and water are cleaner, but everyone is out of work and once-great cities now lie in ruins!<br /><br />Who really benefits?!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-60988994467509689572011-06-20T21:02:46.997-04:002011-06-20T21:02:46.997-04:00the water and air may have been polluted, but at l...the water and air may have been polluted, but at least everyone had jobs!<br /><br />Now the air and water are cleaner, but everyone is out of work and once-great cities now lie in ruins!<br /><br />Who really benefits?!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-58810066451124753842011-06-20T09:20:57.043-04:002011-06-20T09:20:57.043-04:00What happens when Mr. Masry and Mrs. Brockovich bl...What happens when Mr. Masry and Mrs. Brockovich blame an oil well for causing illness?<br /><br />They send out these flyers to recruit local people touched by cancer. http://next-what.blogspot.com/2008/12/when-attorney-contacts-you-about.html One thousand people sign on to the lawsuit; fear plagues the community.<br /><br />USC's Cancer Surveillance Program provides a statistical analysis in response to "concerns expressed by parents regarding an alleged excess of different types of cancers ..." http://keck.usc.edu/Education/Academic_Department_and_Divisions/Department_of_Preventive_Medicine/Divisions/Epidemiology/Research/~/media/6D207AAB7B114277A44270FF3D7E14F6.pdf<br /><br />The city stops drilling for oil even though the court rules the law firm must pay $450,000 damages because their allegations lack supporting data.<br />http://beverlyhills.patch.com/articles/city-council-puts-a-cork-in-oil-and-gas-drilling<br /><br />Published in Norma Zager's 2010book, Erin Brockovich and the Beverly Hills: GreenscamMK Grosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09746159810286953244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-28939850797039993162011-06-20T09:11:37.235-04:002011-06-20T09:11:37.235-04:00I don't believe for a second that the environm...I don't believe for a second that the environmentalists care about the environment, people or nature. Just as the left has shown that they don't care about human rights when it comes to Islam. <br /><br />They are all driven by an intense hatred for the capitalist West and the Greens are just another Marxist tactic to destroy it from within.<br /><br />They're the melons - green on the outside, red on the inside, pious disciples of Marx and Engels. So blinded are they by their own hatred and vain self righteousness they cannot see the destructive and ultimately suicidal consequences of their actions.<br /><br />Proud Brit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-21045884665616591412011-06-20T08:50:08.036-04:002011-06-20T08:50:08.036-04:00The State of New York issues a pamphlet distribute...The State of New York issues a pamphlet distributed at rest-stops that indicate the dangers of eating locally-caught fish. Animal experiments show the dangers of these fish, while frank autism and "autistic spectrum disorder" reach epidemic proportions. Its origins are still unexplained, but may lie in chemicals produced by capitalists and ignored by bloated socialist bureaucracies incapable of rational operations. <br /><br />Unfortunately, neither regulation under green meanies or individual initiatives under republican capitalism can solve these issues and other similar ones. I am impressed with the complexity of interactions when man enters an environment - no matter what his political leanings.<br /><br />Yet, there is realistic hope. "Greens" acting as capitalists seem to be the best bet. Capitalists acting as though conscience is part of their composition is a second source of salvation. Citizens acting in their own individual interests works - since they are willing to pay more for "local" and "organic." Communities preserving local jobs also helps. <br /><br />We are not given to rational decision-making as a species because our timelines are too limited. The fittest survive, but frequently by accident. We are so mentally and morally "challenged!"jlevyellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009369381088467381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-49061924890297750842011-06-20T08:44:33.594-04:002011-06-20T08:44:33.594-04:00It is such a shame that a piece like this is not p...It is such a shame that a piece like this is not provided to schoolkids to balance the material they currently have forced on them (which of course is all written by the environmentalists, global warmists etc). In the UK the 'environmentalist' message is enforced in a whole range of subjects: science, geography, history, and even religious studies. <br /><br />Incidentally there was a very good article by Brooker in the Sunday Telegraph yesterday about the latest IPCC scandal:<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8584210/The-IPCC-declares-Greenpeace-in-our-time.html<br /><br />Brooker has been consistently good on this theme but he has never made a cogent case for the link between environmentalist pressure and war as you have.Mark Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634542433903164227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-87507985028424667812011-06-20T06:36:02.561-04:002011-06-20T06:36:02.561-04:00I had not seen the link between fanatic environmen...I had not seen the link between fanatic environmentalists and war. But come to think of it, there is a case that the resource environment is a prime cause of war, and environmentalists deal in it, by making it hard or expensive to get.<br /><br />Under pressure from environmentalists, and others, Western government have artificially created a "Carbon" resource, which is in fact the naturally occurring gas that we breathe out. We are now going to be taxed for a "pollutant" that we breathe out. Industries are going to be taxed on "CARBON", who will then flee to countries such as China and India, that snigger at our stupidity. <br /><br />The Western world has gone mad. Totally bonkers, hats on, with whistles and jingles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-58174693599239516492011-06-20T03:42:33.064-04:002011-06-20T03:42:33.064-04:00I can only agree partially with your arguments hav...I can only agree partially with your arguments having been myself in a business that shortsightedly undercut it's own viability by outsourcing it's knowledge, not to escape environmental regulations, but plainly by the pure capitalist motivation of making more profit by cutting labor cost. On the other side, without environmental laws or regulations chemical plants all over the Western world would have continued to pollute lakes and rivers with their waste. Like all issues it's the combination of excessive desire for more and more in both profit and regulatory power that causes the cracks in a system. The re-invention of everything in a phoenix like destruction and re-birth apparently is more than a myth: it's a necessity for survival.mindRiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160934421830568737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-35421371217233972582011-06-20T02:35:51.519-04:002011-06-20T02:35:51.519-04:00Excellent article and I worked with many of the no...Excellent article and I worked with many of the now banned pesticides and herbicides for many years. The vast majority of those banned were very safe when used properly. DDT should have never been banned.PatriotUSAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00171721694866847529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-10134106407297503802011-06-20T00:53:01.372-04:002011-06-20T00:53:01.372-04:00The Time cover is very disturbing.
We need that D...The Time cover is very disturbing.<br /><br />We need that DDT for tics and mosquitoes. They bring awful diseases.Chana @ Lemon Lime Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11656854855385193867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-20391883333704798572011-06-19T23:51:11.207-04:002011-06-19T23:51:11.207-04:00As alluded to in the essay, thanks to Carson's...As alluded to in the essay, thanks to Carson's war against DDT millions of Africans died due to having to fight off malaria-carrying mosquitoes with netting instead of a safe and effective chemical.<br />What this piece reinforces is the historical truth that most leftist ideology leads to unnecessary death in the name of false superiority. That "superiority" is based on a distinctive lack of success, ideas with no logic, and willful ignorance (and rewriting) of history. God save us from the left.S. Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07340480148470864957noreply@blogger.com