tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post6049099283565980360..comments2024-03-29T00:24:13.128-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : It's Not the Hasbara, It's the RealityDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-55973942825794598442011-09-06T20:16:47.519-04:002011-09-06T20:16:47.519-04:00Great column Mr. Knish. Just beat the crap out of ...Great column Mr. Knish. Just beat the crap out of the terrorists and have them whimpering like dogs will shut them up. Hesitation in fighting them sows discord and doubt even amongst our supporters in the righteousness of your cause.Think of the dark days of Dec. 200 1- April 2002 when almost every day seemed like a suicide bombing was happening and Israel acted confused and stunned like a duck hit on the head doing nothing. She still got bashed even when she did nothing. She should have killed Arafat and started killing terrorists on a daily basis not in dribs and drabs but by the score!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-59174834614234235862010-08-13T12:17:27.467-04:002010-08-13T12:17:27.467-04:00Though why such a lesson is necessary for Jews, is...Though why such a lesson is necessary for Jews, is beyond me. Why? Cause the Jews have the distinction, or should I say the 'honour' of experiencing first hand, and first time, the reality of the sword of Islam.<br /><br />But strangely enough, it is Jews, not just in Israel but in the West, who continue to give Islam a pass, and thus put us all in existential danger.<br /><br />Islam is in a state of permanent war with all non-Muslims, and therefore no material concessions should ever be made to it. <br /><br />And the corollary to that is that we need to start making singular demands from Muslims, backed up with force.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-23602006254309528502010-08-13T12:14:47.006-04:002010-08-13T12:14:47.006-04:00An exchange here...
Vivek G. writes (August 12, 4:...An exchange here...<br />Vivek G. writes (August 12, 4:30 p.m.):<br /><br />There are two things to be kept in mind and understood here.<br /><br />1. Obama's policies are failing to win Muslim world's heart.<br /><br />2. The more a non-Muslim tries to win a Muslim heart, the more Muslims dislike him. By this, they encourage the non-Muslim to make more and more concessions to the Muslims so that eventually the non-Muslim digs his own grave towards reducing oneself to a Dhimmi.<br /><br />So, it is not only important to understand point 1, but it is even more important to understand point 2 and not fall into the Muslim trap!<br /><br />LA replies:<br /><br />Very well put. And why is the situation as you describe it? The non-Muslim and the Muslim are operating from two different sets of assumptions. The non-Muslim is a liberal, who thinks that all men can get along on the basis of reason, good will, and mutual concessions. He thinks that the Muslim has some genuine or at least sincerely felt grievances against him, and that if he makes moves to appease Muslim's sense of grievance, the Muslim will feel better disposed toward him and drop his hostility. But the Muslim, unbenownst to the non-Muslim, is not a liberal; he does not believe in a world of mutual concessions based on reason and good will; he believes in Islam and in the rule of the world by Islam. Therefore the moment the non-Muslim makes a concession to the Muslim, the Muslim knows that the non-Muslim is moving in the right direction, toward dhimmitude, but that he still has further to go before before he reaches full dhimmitude. Therefore, in response to the non-Muslim's concession, the Muslim will not reduce his hostile demands on the non-Muslim, but increase them.<br /><br />This drama of dhimmitude, fatal to the non-Muslim, will not cease until he finally recognizes the simple truth about Islam: that Islam is in a state of permanent war with all non-Muslims, and therefore that no material concessions should ever be made to it. <br /><br />Ben W. writes:<br /><br />LA: "This drama of dhimmitude, fatal to the non-Muslim, will not cease until he finally recognizes the simple truth about Islam: that Islam is in a state of permanent war with all non-Muslims, and therefore that no material concessions should ever be made to it."<br /><br />http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/017073.html<br /><br />Though why such a lesson is necessary for Jews, is beyond me. Why? Cause the Jews have the distinction, or should I say the 'honour' of experiencing first hand, and first time, the reality of the sword of Islam.<br /><br />But strangely enough, it is Jews, not just in Israel but in the West, who continue to give Islam a pass, and thus put us all in existential danger.<br /><br />Islam is in a state of permanent war with all non-Muslims, and therefore no material concessions should ever be made to it. <br /><br />And the corollary to that is that we need to start making singular demands from Muslims, backed up with force.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-37426296963021643742010-08-13T07:18:48.770-04:002010-08-13T07:18:48.770-04:00Great article, so right, so true.
Israel should f...Great article, so right, so true.<br /><br />Israel should forget about human right for those barbaric people. Human right is for human, not for the barbarians who don't live by human right precept. Just wipe them off by whatever means, the sooner the better. With all those barbarians wiped out, Israel has no more obligation to explain anything to the world bigoted lefties who can't be convinced by any reasoning. Just do it covertly if Israel fears indiscriminate condemnation of the liberal lefties. Employ whatever means including terrorist tactics against the terrorists. Wipe out all the cancer cells once and for all.<br /><br />As there are lots of very smart Jews, I hope as part of the strategy, Israel can invent better replacement for middle east oil. If all those mideast Arabs can't get anymore money from their oil field, they can't fund Israel hatred anymore and with no innovation, may their sick countries crumble into dust. It'll be great for the betterment of humanity.Asiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-76925041883566873342010-08-13T06:43:04.119-04:002010-08-13T06:43:04.119-04:00Liberals love the "under dog." Israel st...Liberals love the "under dog." Israel stopped looking like that dog in 1967. It was at that time that she lost the propoganda war. Better to lose a propoganda war than a real war.<br />The big fear I have is how many Israelis are now "post" Zionist. I know how badly the post Zionist Jews of America have hurt Jews throughout the world. <br />What can be done Sultan? Will there be another "open hunting season" against Jews again as it was in Europe in WWII?Morry Rotenbergnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-8342953171043308692010-08-12T22:37:16.221-04:002010-08-12T22:37:16.221-04:00Arabs undermining Israel from the Pacific now too ...Arabs undermining Israel from the Pacific now too - yes from the Pacific. They are very strategic:<br /><br />"The Arab world has launched a ''seduction offensive'' in the South Pacific, where most of the region's 14 archipelago-states traditionally support Israel within the United Nations and other international bodies, hindering the votes of much more populous nations. The daily paper The Australian has today reported on the Arab League's decision to send an official delegation to the Pacific and to open its own office in the region. Moreover, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) have created a 38-million-euro development fund for the islands and will be the location of the headquarters of the new Arab-Pacific Cooperation Forum....<br /><br />...In a document released at the end of the summit, the Pacific states ''note the concern on the part of Arab states over the conflict in the Middle East, especially in Palestine, and the need to resolve disputes on the basis of UN Security Council resolutions and the principles of the Road Map, and recognise that the positions of Arab states are crucial for peace which is fair, comprehensive and permanent.' http://www.ansamed.info/en/news/ME.XAM10481.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-34559800062648080912010-08-12T22:05:54.339-04:002010-08-12T22:05:54.339-04:00Israel should simply tell rest of the world to FUC...Israel should simply tell rest of the world to FUCK OFF and take a leaf from the Sri Lankan Army’s handbook as to how to deal with enemies, the only issue is that such a scenario is unlikely to happen short of coup against the Erev Rav Elite currently ruling Israel.<br /> <br />The same probably goes for other nations as well when it comes to fighting against the Islamic quest of world domination, since the West appears to have its own version of the Erev Rav that makes common cause with islam and even goes as far as to be islam's biggest promoters. <br /><br />You cannot convince people, who have already made up their minds that Israel should just go away and as well as pretty much decided that both Israel and the Jewish People guilty of (in their minds) being an annoying anachronism that refuses to die (along with Christianity to a lesser extent).<br /><br />Originally, the three cities that served as the West’s foundation were Rome, Athens & Jerusalem; today those haters currently in power have since cut out the Jewish roots of the West and have gone on to replace Jerusalem with Mecca. <br /><br />I also agree with Lemon above, just like the Muslims say that after Saturday is Sunday so likewise, for quite a few in the West after Friday comes Saturday.Jesterhead45https://www.blogger.com/profile/06569998708665000668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-52983160014924809412010-08-12T20:40:05.458-04:002010-08-12T20:40:05.458-04:00Right wing Europeans are no pals to Jews and once ...Right wing Europeans are no pals to Jews and once Arabs are no longer a threat they will fill in the void just as they always did in the past.<br />Right now right wingers simply have a common bone to pick but without that they would turn on Jews yet again.<br /><br />Geert Wilders is a notable exception to the above, however.Chana @ Lemon Lime Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11656854855385193867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-83816584588545849932010-08-12T20:09:11.558-04:002010-08-12T20:09:11.558-04:00People know the truth. They just don't care.
...People know the truth. They just don't care.<br /><br />There are plenty of You Tube videos, Israeli blogs in English.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-62612577843320124562010-08-12T17:47:01.859-04:002010-08-12T17:47:01.859-04:00My fear is the reprisals against 1) Jews outside o...<i>My fear is the reprisals against 1) Jews outside of Israel or 2) Vocal non Jewish supporter of Israel by muslims. Given the 1994 bombing of a Jewish center in Buenos Aires, I am surprised more have not since occurred.</i><br /><br />That sadly is true, and will continue to be the case so long as the enemies of Jews have nothing to fear in retaliation. Retaliation + interest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-49728195605324280402010-08-12T17:40:39.440-04:002010-08-12T17:40:39.440-04:00The only way to win at PR against a pro-terrorist ...<i>The only way to win at PR against a pro-terrorist left and its Islamist allies, is to take the war off the table by winning it. Because an indefinite crisis will bring enemies out of the woodwork, and give bigots plenty to feed on. That's the cold hard reality of it. The only way Israel can win the PR war, is by defeating the terrorists. </i><br /><br />Been saying so for years if not decades. Heck, Old binLaden says it, that people admire the strong horse.<br /><br />When Israel defeated the Arabs in 1967, the entire world, including Arabs, admired Israel. Since then, Israel has been acting like a liberal sissy, ever trying accommodate its enemies, and all it has got is more demands from the Arabs, and contempt from the rest.<br /><br />Change tack for heavens sake. What has Israel got to loose. <br /><br />Way forward<br /><br />Make publicly clear that from henceforth, each terrorist attack on Israel will lead to the permanent confiscation of territory. The size will depend on the number of Israelis killed. <br /><br />This way the Jihad, which is all about seizing territory from the Infidel, starts to loose its charm. Moreover, the Palis will start to request their Lefty allies to tone it down, as it only annoys the Israelis, and they then take it out on the Palis.<br /><br />What is happening now is idiotic- Israelis are dying as well as loosing territory. You couldnt get a more insane strategy. If you are going to lose people, then atleast gain territory and strategic depth. <br /><br />What if the world objects? Really, whats new?<br /><br />Actually, after a little commotion, the world (the non-Muslim part anyway), will realise that Israel is now behaving like a normal, rather then a stuck up holier-then-thou country, and will soon loose all sympathy for the Palis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-60653906774333008942010-08-12T17:23:06.917-04:002010-08-12T17:23:06.917-04:00I think Israel should ally with right wing Europea...I think Israel should ally with right wing Europeans, they're our best friends. <br /><br /><br />Obvious: The European Right Are the Jews' Best Friend<br />http://www.corrupt.org/news/the_european_right_are_the_jews_best_friend<br /><br />Sultan Knish, Pamela Geller is organising a 9/11 protest in New York and inviting Geert Wilders. I think you should attend too, and support her organisation to fight Islamism.Kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-28185315440768106812010-08-12T16:50:19.283-04:002010-08-12T16:50:19.283-04:00all those things that people worry will happen if ...all those things that people worry will happen if Israel takes action, are happening anywayDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-19278121520616791992010-08-12T16:29:09.237-04:002010-08-12T16:29:09.237-04:00When you say that Israel should end it, the proble...When you say that Israel should end it, the problem for some is that the terrorists hide their arms in mosques and fight using women and children as shields. This has been the subject of many photos. I see no way around killing scores of women and children to turn Hamas into Hamburgrs and Fatah into feta cheese; the bombing of mosques, Hydro towers, schools, SInai hotels, hospitals ( where Hamas caches weapons) and even playgrounds and shopping malls, if the IDF finds evidence of it as a "bodega" or a boutique for bombs. Using a channel on YouTube is effective and Israel's supporters are strong in the digital era. <br /><br />I say that this is tragic but go for it. Hard to have compassion for 6th century troglodytes.<br />I subscribe to a "us" or "them" mentality. The "them" are these "stuck in the 6th century barbric inbred muslims" as well as their Marxist supporters in academia, US, Canada and the EU. What they say in Latin American newspapers is gibberish and irrelevant to me. <br />Bleeding heart Jews have to stop seeing themselves worthy of pity and move on and stop building bridges in inter-religious dialogues or saying that every poor person from Central America is a refugee.<br /><br />My fear is the reprisals against 1) Jews outside of Israel or 2) Vocal non Jewish supporter of Israel by muslims. Given the 1994 bombing of a Jewish center in Buenos Aires, I am surprised more have not since occurred.Holy Infidel Surfer Dudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-60885663228896275012010-08-12T14:05:01.593-04:002010-08-12T14:05:01.593-04:00Than what is the use of Hasbara if no argument can...Than what is the use of Hasbara if no argument can convince an opponent? Is it not better than to say f..k you and forget about PR and just fight the battles without any "gloves on" and realy inflict a crushing defeat on the ennemy, because the media and alledged liberals shall condemn Israel anyway even if it tries to defend itself in the most "humane" miltairy manner possible.mindRidernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-76228086591749547692010-08-12T11:52:48.830-04:002010-08-12T11:52:48.830-04:00Emmy possibly for Al-Jazeera for its coverage of G...Emmy possibly for Al-Jazeera for its coverage of Gaza.<br /><br />Muslim as forever victim where ever they kill infidels.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-64371443047604789502010-08-12T09:09:59.819-04:002010-08-12T09:09:59.819-04:00"The terrorists aren't scoring points bec..."The terrorists aren't scoring points because isn't communicating its message. "<br /><br />It's harder to understand sentences with many negatives, but I don't understand this one at all. Perhaps this sentence can be reworked to be in the affirmative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-54297119025652415332010-08-12T08:56:43.579-04:002010-08-12T08:56:43.579-04:00Excellent article.
You have an amazing ability to ...Excellent article.<br />You have an amazing ability to express yourself in infinite ways on a daily basis. Kudos!<br /><br />I only wish more people could read your articles.<br /><br />Eventually Bloggers like you will take the center stage of reporting once people realize that the regular media is selling them out just to sustain their organizations. As they blurt almost fearlessly that "rating counts" not the truth.<br /><br />Yes the stark reality is that you need first to defeat terrorism (even if it means using the same terroristic tactics) in order to win the PR war.<br /><br />The harder you strike, the more you are respected.<br />No point trying to argue with bigots and no point trying to explain yourself to death.<br /><br />Keep up the excellent work.<br /><br />May the force be with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-74995845057673321382010-08-12T08:53:28.781-04:002010-08-12T08:53:28.781-04:00I don't know exactly what is making them to ha...I don't know exactly what is making them to hate Israel or Jews, but I agree that nothing can change their mind. Maybe "morality" and "guilt" are keywords. A tiger never feels guilty after having slaughtered a prey. The animal is just doing what it is designed to do. The first tiger who shows guilt will be the scapegoat of all tigers in the world. :)Riahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04717687797660985508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-88203106045317651962010-08-12T00:44:20.485-04:002010-08-12T00:44:20.485-04:00Yes, the problem is not in the message, it's i...Yes, the problem is not in the message, it's in the reality.<br /><br />But the reality for Israel is not Europe or the US, it is the Middle East. Israel is a Middle Eastern country and it's real problem is in the religious beliefs of its neighbors which have no foundation in reality and despite that are the roots of a fanatical hatred.<br /><br />The other reality is that the experience of the Jews in Europe has been equally unjust and based on a similar irrational, religious based hatred.<br /><br />The best weapon that Israel has is the truth about its people, their land and the beliefs of that people as they stand in contrast to the beliefs of their oppressors. Experience shows that Jews cannot stand passively by while they are denounced with lies, that leads to doom.<br /><br />But experience shows all of us that none of us can stand idly by while people lie and falsely pose an innocent people as aggressors and then murder them on the pretext of those lies. Such murderers soon look for other victims to profit from and then anyone can be the target of such lies.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13265154565691102783noreply@blogger.com