tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post5334999954221529152..comments2024-03-29T00:24:13.128-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : What is Behind the Collapse of Civilization?Daniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-44113812044759699042012-09-02T03:09:45.412-04:002012-09-02T03:09:45.412-04:00Very interesting piece, Daniel...well worth readin...Very interesting piece, Daniel...well worth reading, and pondering. Thank you.<br /><br />One question: Who is responsible for the dystopian photos? The overall effect is very good (in the sense of "expressive"). Did you do them?nightowlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-4415243576048340882012-03-25T13:47:04.842-04:002012-03-25T13:47:04.842-04:00Brilliant analysis. Has there ever been a more ado...Brilliant analysis. Has there ever been a more adolescent, immature government than the one we are suffering through right now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-61028963652282118002012-02-24T08:42:01.076-05:002012-02-24T08:42:01.076-05:00it is the nature of people to identify pattern in ...it is the nature of people to identify pattern in order to establish a point to understand that which manifests about them.<br /><br />the truth is more terrifying than any attempts to reconcile reality with rationality.<br /><br />the order of the universe is chaos... interspersed with periods. of stasis...mmercierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13953620681382281656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-32849984600481879402011-12-15T09:22:07.370-05:002011-12-15T09:22:07.370-05:00I can see clearly how the utopian thinking that dr...I can see clearly how the utopian thinking that drives so much stubborn rejection of the laws of nature, especially of human nature, and belief in the remaking of the world in our own image, fits into this Adolescent/Assimilated paradigm. Interesting post!Joseph Dooleyhttp://hecatr.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-21133874261303491242011-10-16T02:21:54.085-04:002011-10-16T02:21:54.085-04:00Daniel, I think you are missing her point. The pro...Daniel, I think you are missing her point. The process of maturation is not a one-step process, nor is it a one tool process, but involves carrot <i>and</i> stick and logistics and many other things.<br /><br />Of course, if men are denied sex that will not make them mature; but it will make them knuckle down to whatever is required to get that sex, which means marriage, which means having the credentials to get the marriage in the market place, and <i> that</i> process will make them mature.<br /><br />I agree with anon. The easy availability of sex is a key part of the prolongation of immaturity. Why are we even disputing this? Surely we can agree that if deprived for only a short time, men will do anything to get sex. And there is another aspect she didn't mention. Every marketplace trades in swaps around asset values. The woman has an asset - her body. What does she now get for the swap? It was, formerly, supposed to be 'commitment'. Doh.<br /><br /><b>Anonymous said:</b> <br />Great insight Daniel! However, you failed to mention sex. As long as women are willing to give themselves freely without the benefit of marriage, they will be taken. As an older women, I marvel a the 30 something women around me that cannot understand why they cannot find husbands. Perhaps if they collectively became more sexually discriminating they would see how quickly the men will give up the adolescent life and turn into married adult family men.<br /><br /><b>Daniel Greenfield said: </b><br />While that might prove to be an incentive for some men to marry, someone marrying for such a reason is not an adult, even if he happens to be the holder of a marriage license.Alanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04142902969277107163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-10011718823028703622011-08-08T18:28:04.767-04:002011-08-08T18:28:04.767-04:00If I may, I would like to highlight another major ...If I may, I would like to highlight another major factor contributing to the perilous state of the First World, as you chose to label it. Our society has been remarkably successful at reversing physical evolution - the very process which enabled homo sapiens to dominate the planet Earth. The weak and the stupid have been, and still are, procreating much more rapidly than the strong and the intelligent. Add this evolutionary regression - and a little bit of time - to the inordinate control of politics by Big Business, and the combination is simply lethal. These ideas are eloquently, albeit indirectly, supported by the following books:<br />1. "The Closing of the American Mind" by Allan Bloom<br />2. "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins<br />3. "Londonistan" by Melanie Phillips<br />4. "Future Human Evolution" by John Glad.<br />Unfortunately, Islam is only one the problems we face today. In fact, it is probably the easiest to solve. On the other hand, climate change, rampant pollution of "island Earth" and overall degeneration of human intelligence are much more formidable enemies. For example, the epidemic of autism, which is sweeping the First World, is a direct result, and an unintended consequence, of indiscriminate application of modern medical techniques (antibiotics and vaccines).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-57465428767517866052011-07-31T11:16:50.582-04:002011-07-31T11:16:50.582-04:00yes certainly so long as a link back s providedyes certainly so long as a link back s providedDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-15984390232315970652011-07-31T02:38:09.834-04:002011-07-31T02:38:09.834-04:00can we repost this, mr. Greenfield? on a universit...can we repost this, mr. Greenfield? on a university website, for example?EriKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04149923261251332685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-65680160314918454672010-12-04T18:15:00.167-05:002010-12-04T18:15:00.167-05:00Yes, unfortunately feelings trump reason in a cult...Yes, unfortunately feelings trump reason in a culture dedicated to the joy of perpetual adolescence.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-88515562225855839682010-12-03T21:21:07.249-05:002010-12-03T21:21:07.249-05:00Wonderful. As a teacher, I have witnessed this hap...Wonderful. As a teacher, I have witnessed this happening before my eyes. Those of us who work on teaching adolescents to mature are quickly noticed and chastised by administrators and parents. We continue in a stealth way, but it can result in bad evals or even losing your job.<br /><br />I am unemployed right now because I believe in in consequence for disruptive, rude, or indolent student. <br /><br />Even simple correction --- of improper grammar, of an disrepectful tone of voice, can get you in trouble. Parents go to the administrator, who then meets with you and tells you how that child must be treated.<br /><br />My husband, also a teacher, was told recently that he had been wrong in advising a work-study student that his clothes were dirty and unappropriate for the out-front job he had. His adminstrator believed this correction hurt the student's feelings -- and the number one thing parents will get angry with schools for is hurting a student's feelings.firedinrichlandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-61458834765141913962010-07-01T09:01:47.486-04:002010-07-01T09:01:47.486-04:00You're analysis very much parallels things tha...You're analysis very much parallels things that have been mulling in my head since 9/11.<br />As a former American living in a kibbutz I have had the benefit of seeing the pros and cons of both Capitalist and Socialist ideologies. I have come to the conclusion that the Rebellion phase mentality makes both ideologies untenable. For any healthy nation and culture to work there has to be a level of consensual civic responsibility. A common understanding of what makes a nation healthy and work well and the willingness to bend you back in order to make it work.Any Ideology taken to its extreme interpretation and is not tempered by simple pragmatic common sense is doomed for tyranny in one form or another.<br /> Pure Socialism is based on the human need for stability. Pure Capitalism is based on the human need for promoting self interest. A healthy society takes both needs into account. Too much stability leads to Big Brother. Too much self Interest leads to Big Business.Both of these extremes derive from an arrested development mentality and leads to the opening of the doors to the barbarians at the gate.Yehudanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-44229439486169272272010-06-28T00:22:30.077-04:002010-06-28T00:22:30.077-04:00Awesome writing Dan. If I can speculate, I think o...Awesome writing Dan. If I can speculate, I think one key element missing in our educational institutions is the old concept of Civics. That is; the teachings of how our society works, as well as the rights and (most importantly) responsibilites of those living in our civilised society.<br /><br />Many of the people I speak to who cling to childish ideals and policies direct their anger to the wrong arm of government, the wrong jurisdiction or simply fail to grasp WHY things are the way they are. They don't know where money comes from, and how their parliaments are elected. They think things like socialism are the answer because they simply have no basis for comparison.<br /><br />Being an adult can only realy come from fully knowing oneself, one's culture, and one's society. Only then can one constrast the vices and virtues of our society against those of the barbarians at the gates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-73895031582213341942010-03-29T00:49:11.275-04:002010-03-29T00:49:11.275-04:00Great article, I like to look at Man's behavio...Great article, I like to look at Man's behavior and discern the motive or explanation if you will for actions. But I was intrigued by your application on a societal level and corresponding dysfunction. Erikson's developmental theory came to mind while reading your article. So I understood completely your analysis. What we are seeing in today's world is man without GOD, nothing more than a sophisticated, cunning and ruthless animal, who happens to be at the top of the food chain.But I do believe that everything is going along within the realm of God's allowance, he is not surprised. As one of your other readers said, Satan is pretty busy down here, it took me a long time to understand the Book of Job. So what is going on now reflects the fact that Satan knows he has but a short time. And there are many doing his bidding.<br /><br />Greg RNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-8358577489000429692010-02-16T15:27:46.857-05:002010-02-16T15:27:46.857-05:00they are indeed savages, just not noble, the savag...they are indeed savages, just not noble, the savage is more primitive not simply in techniques, but also in morals and in his understanding of the wider worldDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-3561766170730028742010-02-16T11:40:26.225-05:002010-02-16T11:40:26.225-05:00There is one problem with this article.
You imply...There is one problem with this article.<br /><br />You imply that the Muslims are not "noble savages". The trick here is that the term "noble savage" simply hasn't been defined by the people who use it.<br /><br />I would argue that the Muslim is in fact a "noble savage". Not only that, I would say we should be quite grateful that this noble savage exists. He will most certainly kill and slaughter his way across the world if he gets the opportunity and this is a good thing.<br /><br />Because until now our civilization has been dying slowly. We've been murdering ourselves, not only with bullshit liberalism but with what I call bullshit capitalism (as opposed to the Free Market). That is, Freedom only works with a responsible citizenry. For years, it has been less and less responsible handing off what is right for what is convenient. That is what I mean when I say bullshit capitalism. A pretend Free Market that has little in the way of self restraint. Instead passing laws that pretend restraint but really do very little.<br /><br />We should be grateful to the Noble Savage. He is not playing games, he is quite serious. He seeks nothing less than absolute dominion and obedience. He reminds us that there are things worth fighting for, things worth killing for, things worth suffering for.<br /><br />Liberty.Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05349024830056532674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-80629686040545505902010-02-13T21:51:38.586-05:002010-02-13T21:51:38.586-05:00Rome and not just Rome either. The cycle has passe...Rome and not just Rome either. The cycle has passed again and again.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-19946640534292357332010-02-13T21:30:09.057-05:002010-02-13T21:30:09.057-05:00Anonymous said..."As an older women, I marvel...Anonymous said..."As an older women, I marvel a the 30 something women around me that cannot understand why they cannot find husbands. Perhaps if they collectively became more sexually discriminating they would see how quickly the men will give up the adolescent life and turn into married adult family men.<br /><br />___________________________________<br /><br />I can only speak for myself(approaching middle age) that your suggestion doesn't resonate with me. in the least.<br /><br />I think for many of the under 35's the whole idea of marriage is anachronistic. Couples today can cohabit, share in material accumulation but not be psychologically or legally fettered. This generation I think more than all before it has become the ultimate hedonistic ego and nihilism trip. Nihilism seems to be the growing philosophical underpinning of this generation.<br />___________________________________<br /><br />In a Hobbesian world, man's actions are taken to avoid a violent death or rather the fear of a violent death. . . . Gone is the notion that man's actions are based upon rationally derived or divinely inspired fundamentals leading toward the fulfillment of his purpose.<br /><br />----------------------------------<br /><br />As truth became a relative concept based upon the understanding of the individual at a given point in time, the notion that man evolves within his lifetime from many men allowed for the ever changing, i.e., creative power, of man himself. Man was to overcome himself by redefining and recreating who and what he is.<br /><br />-----------------------------------<br /><br />Consequently; When all ideas are equal because man as the maker constantly seeks to remake himself, no ideas are "significantly" better than others.<br /><br />With the aid of modern social science, the relative nature of all things is fully established as the grounding of modernity. <br /><br />Truth is an obsolete concept unless applied in the most relative terms of "my truth" and "your truth." <br /><br /><br />Cultural interpretations are explained as the diversity of understandings, whose meanings are the byproduct of environment and culture. The modern thinker is required by doctrine to reject absolutism in the sense that any single "truth" or understanding is of greater value than another. <br /><br /> <br /><br />What must be understood is that the impetus for modern western culture was indeed the transformation of the Jewish G-d into the self-creating deification of man. Modern apostasy is the modern western culture in the guise of true enlightenment. <br /><br /> <br /><br />Modern apostasy has replaced moral certitude with the "if it feels good, do it" ritual. Man is made void of a nature; for it is the greatest of mistakes to confuse what "feels" natural or nice with purpose. Man's lack of purpose leaves him stilted as the beasts of the field "doing" without cognition. <br />Imagine....yamit33https://www.blogger.com/profile/18208918839638065898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-940655480551491662010-02-13T12:35:31.280-05:002010-02-13T12:35:31.280-05:00This article sounds like the fall of Rome. Also to...This article sounds like the fall of Rome. Also to you, Sultan? did you look into it? are there parallels between our time and then?<br />ThanksMichaelhttp://www.selutin.denoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-54555812487436330872010-02-12T16:54:19.085-05:002010-02-12T16:54:19.085-05:00I am completely serious about "what is behind...I am completely serious about "what is behind the collapse of civilization" - it's Satan. Satan is the original rebel, and permanent rebellion serves its purpose.vdavissonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13281312742549345774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-91297007339503610912010-02-12T14:57:29.685-05:002010-02-12T14:57:29.685-05:00This infantilisation of society is going to doom u...This infantilisation of society is going to doom us all. Nobody wants to carry responsibility or do the hard work anymore, but only to live carefree life preferably on their parents support.<br />Yet this is our future and it looks grimm.PsihoKekecnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-77755837309122305792010-02-11T23:35:34.284-05:002010-02-11T23:35:34.284-05:00you can see a few up at New York Minuteyou can see a few up at <a href="http://cityminute.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"> New York Minute </a>Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-2611083037510437562010-02-11T23:21:12.563-05:002010-02-11T23:21:12.563-05:00Please post your pictures of teh blizzard.
They ...Please post your pictures of teh blizzard.<br /><br /><br />They are indeed intense and always remind me of artic explorers and the survival instincts in all of us.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-50441910630403300022010-02-11T21:33:15.478-05:002010-02-11T21:33:15.478-05:00Anonymous,
While that might prove to be an incent...Anonymous,<br /><br />While that might prove to be an incentive for some men to marry, someone marrying for such a reason is not an adult, even if he happens to be the holder of a marriage license.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-37538607294593068522010-02-11T21:32:27.343-05:002010-02-11T21:32:27.343-05:00Dp111,
Yes, as the family is a transcendent insti...Dp111,<br /><br />Yes, as the family is a transcendent institution, since it requires one to invest his efforts into something superseding himself.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-82217479837244185232010-02-11T21:05:08.819-05:002010-02-11T21:05:08.819-05:00Great insight Daniel! However, you failed to menti...Great insight Daniel! However, you failed to mention sex. As long as women are willing to give themselves freely without the benefit of marriage, they will be taken. As an older women, I marvel a the 30 something women around me that cannot understand why they cannot find husbands. Perhaps if they collectively became more sexually discriminating they would see how quickly the men will give up the adolescent life and turn into married adult family men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com