tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post4760739692770653541..comments2024-03-29T00:24:13.128-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : Troops in the StreetsDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-75927462028345064382012-11-06T21:12:12.406-05:002012-11-06T21:12:12.406-05:00Shades of Angelo Codevilla in this article.
It...Shades of Angelo Codevilla in this article.<br /><br />It's a very interesting topic and one that would make a great conversation over a few beers.<br /><br />Traditionally we see dictators hold on to power in a very obvious and public manner. They all had or have power in their countries with no doubt as to who has it. But they all fall eventually and that very reason plays a part. The secret police may be the key to power, and the more ruthless and committed they are the better it is for the dictator. However eventually the people will push back because they know that the sum of all problems is with the dictator and can be easily identified as coming from him.<br /><br />America is the leviathan. The President may be the figurehead but the power is so spread around that it is hard to make a effective change just by swapping out one part of a machine that big. The EPA, IRS, DHS, ATF all could find a reason currently on the books today to jail every single American.<br /><br />The symptoms of what ails America are evident and the causes are somewhat known, but it is figuring out what the cure is that is the hardest part of the problem and the biggest obstacle to any changes being done to the system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-8314258728289599472012-11-06T12:52:43.753-05:002012-11-06T12:52:43.753-05:00ZZMike,
"There may well be many who would re...ZZMike,<br /><br />"There may well be many who would resist - and I certainly hope most of those are in the officer corps."<br /><br />SGT's run the Army. I suspect you will find the enlisted are FAR more likely to be conservative that the Elite Officer Corps... Just look at Stan the Man McChrystal... LibTard of the first degree. Powell who can't see past skin color, etc... I believe the majority of even the officers are Conservative, but % wise, more liberal than enlisted.<br /><br />I was a sailor and a SGT... <br />Thats my $0.02...<br />Your Mileage may vary.VA_Ranchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-16066354741178843762012-11-06T12:29:14.559-05:002012-11-06T12:29:14.559-05:00Well said.
What has happened here in the US is t...Well said. <br /><br />What has happened here in the US is the creation of a Polyarchy similar to Hitler's Third Reich. Competing bureaucratic organizations that have multiplied like mushrooms since 9/11.<br /><br />In Hitler's Germany these bureaucrats were intensely jealous of one another, each seeking prominence over another. This inter-organizational rivalry helps' explain why the Nazi's never figured out where or when of the D-Day invasion, as the competing political and armed forces intelligence organizations would not cooperate, and jealously guarded what bits data they had. Each organization had its own uniform and arms--Indeed, following Hitler's death these bureaucrats would fight to take over the leadership of the Reich, as was the case when Rommel anticipated a civil war between the Wehrmacht and the SS during the plot of assassinate Hitler.<br /><br />Homeland security, TSA, and similar other recently form “security” agencies have become the Praetorian guard of the Presidency, staffed with appointees loyal to him, not to the Constitution. The CIA is the only entity that stands outside of this Polyarchy, with such unquestioned power to be considered the fourth branch of Government.<br />Workingstiffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06704481541680166926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-40473765132122498122012-11-05T23:07:31.553-05:002012-11-05T23:07:31.553-05:00The campaigner-in chief let the consulate in Bengh...The campaigner-in chief let the consulate in Benghazi be attacked, turning down pleas for help - from forces that were hours away.<br /><br />I'm not convinced that the military would not respond to orders to "control the civilian population". We saw the beginnings of that at Kent State. We see more of the same almost every day when we read of policemen who fire on civilians, some naked, some armed with deadly toothpicks.<br /><br />There may well be many who would resist - and I certainly hope most of those are in the officer corps. <br /><br />SoCal Observer: good points (I'm another SCO.) And the administration seems to be doing everything it can to make sure the military vote is delayed, or lost, or late, or....ZZMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16913899667726940233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-49414978744814204892012-11-05T11:47:50.379-05:002012-11-05T11:47:50.379-05:00The left would never use the Military against the ...The left would never use the Military against the people of the country because the Military of today is far too educated to fall for that crap. Many years ago the military was primarily uneducated people who had few other choices in life. Today this is far from the case, where eductation is essential even to the lowest ranked privates. <br /><br />If anything I would be more concerned about the relationship of the Left Wing Leadership and the Police Association Unions such as the FOP or the Patrolmans Association. Through regulation, exceutive orders (both Presidential and Governors) and through the guise of Law and Order, they could accomplish basicly the same thing. And education isn't as important or extensive to be a Police Officer. ASGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-33144405210971534962012-11-05T10:48:13.361-05:002012-11-05T10:48:13.361-05:00The government knows it cannot use the military, s...The government knows it cannot use the military, so it has, over the last decade, put more and more military equipment and training into the hands of "law enforcement". We read of the results every day, where trigger happy thugs gun down citizens and their dogs, SWAT teams evicting persons from their homes, and generally terrorizing the public, while not "keeping the peace", which would eventually negate their usefulness.<br /><br />-unclezipAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-11685558322363026582012-11-05T10:12:45.929-05:002012-11-05T10:12:45.929-05:00Just a correction. William Henry Harrison was the ...Just a correction. William Henry Harrison was the other President from the War of 1812. Zachary Taylor was a general in the Mexican-American War.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-64553807780465325532012-11-05T07:50:02.046-05:002012-11-05T07:50:02.046-05:00At first I thought this column was an attempt to r...At first I thought this column was an attempt to reassure opponents of Obama that their fears about the Left's use of the military for domestic control were mere fantasies. Then I received this: www.tikkun.org/nextgen/obama-must-use-military-to-ensure-a-free-and-fair-election<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-2725472439212938022012-11-04T23:28:38.249-05:002012-11-04T23:28:38.249-05:00I should add, the video narrative that was used as...I should add, the video narrative that was used as an excuse to push US adoption of blasphemy laws. We saw Obama go to the UN to tell the world that future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet Muhammad.<br /><br />Ouch.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-64071679808935580402012-11-04T23:23:50.588-05:002012-11-04T23:23:50.588-05:00What I find so unnerving about Benghazi has been t...What I find so unnerving about Benghazi has been the deep involvement of the CIA. About which actions the president does not need to draw the cloak of executive privilege, when he can stamp it "classified". Top secret. Spook.<br /><br />From the steady reduction in security at Benghazi all through the summer (while Chris Stevens was nearly shouting at the top of his lungs for more security), to the fateful decision to let the CIA handle the firefight with AAS (using only CIA assets in-country), through to the CIA helping Obama construct (and sell) the video narrative.<br /><br />Your point about the KGB is well-taken.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-67184057494650727112012-11-04T23:19:26.210-05:002012-11-04T23:19:26.210-05:00I am an amateur historian. Anybody pushing seventy...I am an amateur historian. Anybody pushing seventy gets there by osmosis. <br /><br />The American people go through periodic awakenings - Revolution, abolition, sufferance, abstinence (briefly) and civil rights being most notable. It's happening again. The Tea Party movement, abetted by modern communications, has grown faster and larger than any before. I have heard The Constitution mentioned in more public fora in the last three years than the previous fifty. Take heart people. I have.Roy Lofquisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16536815900678298041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-3608901134144041032012-11-04T17:07:59.917-05:002012-11-04T17:07:59.917-05:00It has all been forecast, with the same consummate...It has all been forecast, with the same consummate skill that forecast the storm surge of Sandy. Has the warning been heeded any better?<br /><br />Alexis De Tocqueville: How Democracy Can Become Tyranny<br />http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/33294.html<br /><br />It is not possible to write a better or more exact description of our pickle. Do we have any chance of getting out of it?<br />Fat Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09554029467445000453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-12430046389427384492012-11-04T14:34:41.835-05:002012-11-04T14:34:41.835-05:00The American government may not be dependant on th...The American government may not be dependant on the military,<br />but it sure is dependant on the media!!<br />In the present climate, I could easily imagine some media darling becoming president. <br />Or someone using that as their path to become POTUS. cdnbnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-90239481075163249892012-11-04T13:30:26.265-05:002012-11-04T13:30:26.265-05:00JPINTX,
we've been there for a while. People ...JPINTX,<br /><br />we've been there for a while. People go to jail for thousands and tens of thousands, but not for billions or trillions. You can flagrantly break the law so long as you know the right people and have the right press.<br /><br />Local corruption is often even worse than national corruption. And entire industries are built on that corruption. Companies arrange to write laws for themselves in a legal black market.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-21755649457738914292012-11-04T13:08:47.160-05:002012-11-04T13:08:47.160-05:00Sultan Knish for President!Sultan Knish for President!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-43762840623306964302012-11-04T13:05:14.905-05:002012-11-04T13:05:14.905-05:00Thanks, I enjoyed this essay, especially the descr...Thanks, I enjoyed this essay, especially the description of our current dictatorship. I don't believe that the government will turn to the military, I don't believe the military would do it. To the extent that we will ever have troops in the street, it is the tax collectors, BATF, etc. Will they be/are they already, our version of KGB? After all, we already have our own nomenklatura.<br /> <br />Twenty to twenty five years ago now (maybe more), I had friends who were visiting China regularly as it was beggining to really grow economically. I asked one of them how on earth their business could possibly grow and thrive under the massive regulatory empire that the communists had created? He said, that is simple, the growth is far removed from Bejing, they just do it, they ignore the regulations and bribe the local bureaucrats to do so as well. By the time their plant and sales come to the attention of the Mandarins, they are so successful that they pay a fine and are forgiven.<br /> <br />So, are we at that point ourselves? When do we get there? Will we see a huge expansion of some kind of underground economy or will the number of sheeple continue to increase? Any clear eyed observer must agree that the boxcars of laws our "representatives" write every year have nothing to do with increasing justice, just with determining who gets what piece of the pie. I'm too old to live to see it, just hope my sons and many others are able to out fox the politicians and their minions. That is our only hope, the political elite will never change their ways. Go moonshiners, of all types!JPINTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03345376515611987787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-32482077638918040852012-11-04T12:54:04.773-05:002012-11-04T12:54:04.773-05:00There is martial law in Seaside Heights,NJ.There is martial law in Seaside Heights,NJ.Chana @ Lemon Lime Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11656854855385193867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-26564194838017719952012-11-04T09:38:05.837-05:002012-11-04T09:38:05.837-05:00reply to Cassandra: Well said. Sums the past 60 ...reply to Cassandra: Well said. Sums the past 60 years up in two short sentences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-36957510382947930562012-11-04T09:11:21.207-05:002012-11-04T09:11:21.207-05:00Nice, posted.......Nice, posted.......angrymikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315561654066233721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-26420281775420098492012-11-04T06:42:55.623-05:002012-11-04T06:42:55.623-05:00Sultan sez:
"An America in which the power o...Sultan sez:<br /><br />"An America in which the power of the left is dependent on troops in the streets will mean their own defeat. And they know it."<br /><br />And yet, that's what they want. Oh how they lust for it! <br /><br />When did the left ever shy away from exerting power through the barrel of the gun?sheik yer'mamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13149368160897370767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-34347035197698209152012-11-04T06:37:08.106-05:002012-11-04T06:37:08.106-05:00What about the FEMA army and the millions of round...What about the FEMA army and the millions of rounds of ammunition purchased by government organizations like the IRS and FEMA? I believe you are right. Most people will follow along like sheep no matter who is in control. Creature comforts matter more than anything. But disarming the population will be another matter. There are millions of people armed to the teeth who will never surrender their weapons.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09518677967627217789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-75825290898492563552012-11-04T06:17:46.716-05:002012-11-04T06:17:46.716-05:00I agree that comunist-led states are governed by t...I agree that comunist-led states are governed by the secret police, not the military. This hapenned in the Soviet Union and all over Eastern Europe. I know that, because my native nation, Albania, was ruled until 1990 by the secret police. During the 1997 civil unrests, the army "melted" in one week, cause it was turned during communism into an ideological arm of the secret police.When forced to act independently, the army dissolved like snow in the sun. This could happen in the USA also, if the governement wants to control the society through secret police-manners.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-30244490195877079332012-11-04T01:40:50.457-05:002012-11-04T01:40:50.457-05:00No.
After the initial years, the Soviet Union con...No.<br /><br />After the initial years, the Soviet Union controlled the population with the secret police rather than the military. The secret police also controlled the military and eventually took over.<br /><br />The military can be inefficient, it can start out with paramilitary roots, but each time it faces a crisis, it will be transformed by that crisis.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-82352034905021404012012-11-04T01:40:40.544-05:002012-11-04T01:40:40.544-05:00.Your argument is false. Mind you, you might be co....Your argument is false. Mind you, you might be correct that there will be no military abuse against the civilian population, but your argument doesnt support that,<br /><br />The soviet union also wrecked their military, and yet they had no problem maintaining control over the population in the early years of the revolution using (substandard) paramilitary forces, the culling of the soviet oficer core was so disastrous to the effectiveness of the soviet army, that it was cited as the promary reason why the Finns were able to stalemate the Russians in their war.<br /><br />An effective military is not necessary to impose a totalitarian regime. If anything, itseasier to do it with one that is composed of corrupt inefficient officers. Some dudehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05349024830056532674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-55439521575327327462012-11-04T01:35:20.913-05:002012-11-04T01:35:20.913-05:00Great observation and analysis. The latest info I ...Great observation and analysis. The latest info I heard tonight is the military overwhelmingly supports Romney. The firing of a general and an admiral, rumored to be due to their willingness to intervene in Benghazi probably will not win much support either. I suspect that even if the joint chiefs of staff passed on the order to the rest of the military, the actual division and air wing commanders would refuse to attack citizens. When Marcos ordered the army out to quell the protests when he stole the election, they refused to act. The protestors were unarmed and many no doubt were friends and relatives. Reservists are not going to pick up weapons and go back into their own towns and suppress friends and relatives here either.<br />SoCal Observernoreply@blogger.com