tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post4302608229603177203..comments2024-03-28T13:47:08.047-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : Nationalism and InternationalismDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-28294060450767402992013-04-01T23:41:49.422-04:002013-04-01T23:41:49.422-04:00I have linked to your superb post here: http://bob...I have linked to your superb post here: http://bobagard.blogspot.com/2013/04/nationalism-versus-internationalism.htmlBob Agardhttp://bobagard.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-53186637766251509362013-03-27T23:53:24.358-04:002013-03-27T23:53:24.358-04:00"Internationalism" is not a policy potho..."Internationalism" is not a policy pothole that our government stumbled into by accident while wandering in the wilderness and groping for a way forward.<br />"Internationalism" is not a policy advocated by a well intentioned but misguided Left to advance their sincere desire for a better world.<br /><br />"Internationalism" is a weapon of war wielded by the Islamo/Communist Left to destroy the United States.<br /><br />"The CPUSA supports immigration because it believes that this will enable it to solve the fundamental problem it faces in America: a materially contented working class. As put in William Hawkins's excellent 1994 book on the open-borders conspiracy, Importing Revolution,<br /><br /> The solution? Increase immigration, especially that of undocumented, illegal workers. The <b>Communist Party, USA</b>, in its publication, Political Affairs: Theoretical Journal of the Communist Party USA, understands well the cause-effect relationship of this: "undocumented workers in any work... have the effect of depressing wages and lowering the quality of working conditions." In other words, CPUSA and its fellow travelers suggest that, in order to "save" workers, the working class must first be destroyed through declining wages and living standards!"<br /><br />This is the first prong of the Communist assault: worsen conditions for American workers."<br />http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/850953/posts<br /><br />"<b>Islamic terrorists</b> are among the no-borders advocates who seek to bring the United States down to the economic and social level of Third-World nations. "<br /><br />"National Council of <b>La Raza</b> (or The Race), a Mexican-American political organization in the United States, and its “gringo” supporters work for the elimination of all borders (land and sea) around the United States of America. "<br /><br />http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/12/21/112650.shtmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-36503008911665526652013-03-27T20:03:04.920-04:002013-03-27T20:03:04.920-04:00How strange that your post still hasn't been c...How strange that your post still hasn't been commented on. Also strange, that your title seems so congruous with my last post title, also from 2 days ago. Ex-Dissidenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03837109472357860889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-45594776418658620142013-03-26T21:55:25.669-04:002013-03-26T21:55:25.669-04:00An excellent discourse on the folly of "open ...An excellent discourse on the folly of "open borders." Those who argue that opening our borders to any and all with no check on who comes in, and coupling that with professions of how "free enterprise" would benefit from an influx of immigrants with alien conceptions of work and culture (and who would insist on preserving those alien conceptions) ought to read this column and learn of their own folly. They simply will not believe that especially the Democrats want "open borders" to guarantee their reelection and the perpetuation of their American "make-over" agenda. Edward Clinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160209827969614964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-6135599233874817192013-03-26T18:16:42.712-04:002013-03-26T18:16:42.712-04:00Can an arm heal if the whole body is sick?Can an arm heal if the whole body is sick?Neilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-86016160551619778562013-03-26T16:34:20.265-04:002013-03-26T16:34:20.265-04:00You speak of democracy and liberty as if they were...You speak of democracy and liberty as if they were natural allies. The two philosophies combined in Europe and America because both arose in opposition to monarchy. Though they are distinct positions which contradict each other.<br /><br />Democracy works only when an overwhelming majority support liberty. That may partially work for a while, but inevitably democracy will degenerate into voting for "benefits". Particularly when gov't controls the educational system and mass media. <br /><br />Prof Rummel does not understand that there is no "democratic peace", but there is a "liberty peace". Libertarian nations, whether democratic or not, tend to not fight each other. We have Hong Kong under the British as an example of a libertarian but non-democratic system.<br /><br />Immigration should be limited according to rational concerns over security; and while welfare exists, according to minization of welfare benefits. <br /><br />Liberty is objective and universal in the sense that it is based on natural law. Trying to base a libertarian political system on subjective preferences, inevitably leads to democracy and the degeneration of liberty. Because if values were subjective, they would be arbitrary and faith-based; one man's opinion would be as valid as any other man's, which is the position of democracy. <br /><br />I agree that the US was right to liberate Iraq and wrong to occupy and subsidize. But there is a third alternative. Liberty is not altruistic. We should put the highest priority on our own liberty, and secondarily the liberty of others as it relates to ours or voluntary charity. <br /><br />Liberty assumes a capitalistic system. Nationalization destroys capitalism. Saddam nationalized oil infrastructure in Iraq and used the booty to subsidize terrorism and his military. That infrastructure which has been nationalized, should be "privatized" or set ablaze. Instead, the US gifted the oil infrastucture to the Iran-dominated Iraqi gov't. <br /><br />Safeguarding oil infrastructure (and other industrial facilities such as mines and crops in Afghanistan) is a legitimate function of an armed forces. Because the primary function of rightful gov't is the protection of life, liberty, and rightfully-owned property. <br /><br />Please remember that liberty is not an arbitary, subjective, faith-based personal preference. It is based on reality, aspects of human nature. Cicero realized that western (Greco-roman) civilization is based on Jus Naturale, a synthesis of Jus Gentium and Stoicism. Not at all religion-based and nothing to do with political social conservatism. Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05485671348128375796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-58828665076498465022013-03-26T16:04:52.966-04:002013-03-26T16:04:52.966-04:00I have a friend who s emigrating to Canada from It...I have a friend who s emigrating to Canada from Italy. She is educated, multilingual and a hard worker. Yet the hoops she is forced to jump through for her citizenship are unbelievable considering immigrants from "war-torn" countries waltz in and get government money, housing and schooling with no expectations placed upon them. Boggles the mind.Off the Coast of Utopiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12025320647237757184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-10567444041022562722013-03-26T11:23:38.666-04:002013-03-26T11:23:38.666-04:00The self-destruction of the United States we are w...The self-destruction of the United States we are witnessing is partially due to the predictable drift away from a self-reliant society that eschewed transfer payments from one group to another to the exact opposite, but it's also due to some inherent contradictions present at the time of the founding coming in contact with a new reality. How do you proclaim that all men are created equal and then admit that its not true? A man created in Iraq or Mexico is NOT equal in the way that it counts to a man created in a traditional family in the United States. No, it's not true about all men from Iraq, Mexico, or the US, but it's true in the way that allows to set policy. How do you adjust a culture that wants to treat every human being as a worthy individual to reject millions of human beings simply on the basis of their cultural origins? This is the challenge.<br /><br />Liberals are too far gone in general. It matters little what they think, as their thinking cannot be reasonably change on too many topics. They just need to be defeated. Today's problem, and one that can be and should be addressed are libertarians. With Rand Paul, they are on the ascendency and poised to make more significant inroads in the conservative movement than they ever have. I was talking to a libertarian friend a couple of weeks ago and made a very similar point to one of the ones you made: if we allow unlimited and uncontrolled immigration from South America, they will vote against everything he stands for in the economic areas just as soon as they can. He just scoffed at that notion and accused me of just wanting to close the door after I got in. And yet once we got past the personal accusations, he realized that he had no answer. I did not convince him of my philosophy, but at least planted doubts in his mind about his.<br /><br />This is a very important column. It's necessary to be blunt. It's necessary to judge people and reject people. It's necessary to proclaim that the national interest is above that of the world, and that in fact there is such a thing as national interest. This notion used to be intuitively accepted not that long ago, and it can be again. This column goes a long way towards making that argument and towards changing how the world should be viewed to change the outcome.IgorRhttp://www.gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-54670470012239154182013-03-26T09:01:09.210-04:002013-03-26T09:01:09.210-04:00Just like the comparison of Pro Illegal Immigratio... Just like the comparison of Pro Illegal Immigration and the Iraq war, a similar comparison can be made between the Left's stance on Israel and Illegal Immigration. They claim that because the vast majority of Jews immigrated to Israel that they are invaders. But as anywhere from 11- 30 Million Latin immigrants invade the US, they are just fine with that.<br /><br />The Left by Nature is Bipolar. It depends too heavily on the who's and not the actual events. If Jews are slaughtered, they won't bat an eyelash. If a Muslim dies by blowing himself and others up, the Left will lose sleep over it. If a Mexican Illegal Immigrant mows down a family after a night of drinking, they will defend him. If a Caucasian gets pulled over while driving drunk, they will call for the death penalty. If a Black shoots a black in a battle for neighborhood supremacy, they don't give it a second thought. But when a neighborhood watchman with a Semitic sounding name shoots a black man while the black man smashed his head off the concrete, they call in the lynch mobs.<br />AGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-29281354945360745412013-03-26T08:03:02.089-04:002013-03-26T08:03:02.089-04:00Christian charity will destroy the world.
Or, if y...Christian charity will destroy the world.<br />Or, if you like, the perversion of Christian charity will destroy the world.<br />Or, Daniel's essay could be expanded into an entire book and most people still wouldn't get it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-84002447700292620142013-03-26T06:56:48.294-04:002013-03-26T06:56:48.294-04:00I think you simplify this issue. The reality is th...I think you simplify this issue. The reality is that the areas of the world with a rise in Islamism also are some of the most uneducated regions of the world. A nation like Iraq even though having a highly educated populace also had no history of democracy or understanding of "human rights." For decades the west allowed the oligarchs, dictators and totalitarian leaders of these nations to destroy pro-democracy education, leaving only Islamism as an alternative to their evil rule. To be a democrat one needs to be educated in its importance. You can't just tell a person, here vote for democracy and all it entails including the element of self-reliance and self-blame, especially in a culture where "shame" can mean a death sentence.<br /><br />People forget that it took hundreds of years for our society to assimilate the ideals of democracy and that it only works with a highly educated and democracy-aligned populace. Even today in our "democracy" people are tired of taking responsibility for themselves. Look at the rise of nanny-statism in the USA. <br /><br />Internationalism of the ideals of freedom and democracy happen to be the right idea. The same can be said for the internationalism of human rights. To say that only some people in the world are entitled to be free is quite frankly disgusting. However when democracy is installed incorrectly or prematurely then you get the rise of the Moslem Brotherhood and a denial of human rights. These societies actually simply revert back to type. They become what they know because it is all they know.Change is frightening, especially change that you were never educated in understanding.<br /><br />Change that also takes from you what little power you actually had is angering. Patriarchal societies do not like democracy since it means that the patriarch is not all powerful. Societies that are tribal and live within a strict societal code do not like democracy. No one gives up power without a fight. This fight is underway and sadly the west is doing nothing to help those seeking equality and freedom. Rather the west is giving into the patriarchs in the same way that they gave in to the dictators. Same formula simply different catalysts. <br /><br />As far as Europe and its duplicitous nature in dealing with the rise of Islamism.... Why are you so surprised that the grandchildren and the great-grandchildren of those that capitulated to the Nazis would capitulate to Islamists? You forget that Europe has a long history of despotism and that even when it did try democracy for awhile it always reverts back to anti-democratic type. I would also add that it is easy for Europe to support the Islamists since they do have that anti-Semitic column in common.In truth Europe is already a lost cause. It's death is very sad to watch in so many ways, yet also so very well deserved too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-42450358914968238342013-03-26T04:50:05.595-04:002013-03-26T04:50:05.595-04:00"Importing large numbers of immigrants from c..."Importing large numbers of immigrants from countries where democracy does not work will <em>insure</em> that our democracy does not work either."<br /><br />Small nit: I think you meant "ensure" here.<br /><br />(...Yeah. I'm "that guy" when it comes to grammar trifles.) Hawkins1701https://www.facebook.com/Hawkins1701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-65517958398056315722013-03-26T04:11:23.807-04:002013-03-26T04:11:23.807-04:0012 million illegal aliens in the USA become "...12 million illegal aliens in the USA become "undocumented immigrants" cited as immovable "facts on the ground" to oppose any attempt to require some adherence to the laws of the borders and citizenship. Many of the same people, however, decry the "facts on the ground" of a few hundred thousand Jews living in East Jerusalem and the "West Bank" (f/k/a Jordan, which lost when it attacked Israel). These people demand that those Jews leave immediately, and blame them (so-called "settlers") for all the problems in the Middle East. Jeromenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-83470710345897955212013-03-25T22:12:03.334-04:002013-03-25T22:12:03.334-04:00Well said. Well said. Wakefield Tolberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07214688786380814406noreply@blogger.com