tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post1801973307162297083..comments2024-03-29T00:24:13.128-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : Friday Afternoon Roundup - There is No End to the JihadDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-92159789520398066482010-02-22T22:40:49.740-05:002010-02-22T22:40:49.740-05:00And you have a wonderful heart and head:)And you have a wonderful heart and head:)Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-937751932901217292010-02-22T01:29:03.794-05:002010-02-22T01:29:03.794-05:00shavua tov, yes i agreeshavua tov, yes i agreeDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-52152423345881742692010-02-22T00:59:03.410-05:002010-02-22T00:59:03.410-05:00So in a way, Noam Shalit has also been taken hosta...So in a way, Noam Shalit has also been taken hostage by Hamas and is doing their bidding in a way. Or at least is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome by proxy.<br /><br />I know he's grieving and wants his son back but at the price of other Israeli kids? That is repulsive.<br /><br />Cut off all services to Gaza and the Palestinians will turn on Hamas and throw Gilad Shalit loose in a heartbeat.<br /><br />Shavua tov, Sultan.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-86144838988271565252010-02-21T11:16:09.768-05:002010-02-21T11:16:09.768-05:00yes very true, anonymousyes very true, anonymousDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-41978543357177717682010-02-21T11:15:57.169-05:002010-02-21T11:15:57.169-05:00Noam Shalit has chosen to collaborate with Hamas. ...Noam Shalit has chosen to collaborate with Hamas. He has become a useful tool for the media, the left and the terrorists. <br /><br />But there's really no point in further discussions with someone incapable of using logic and responding to the issues being raised, instead of engaging in emotional diatribes.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-39294748648855797112010-02-21T08:06:20.401-05:002010-02-21T08:06:20.401-05:00Original:"Washington is of course ignoring th...Original:"Washington is of course ignoring the entire situation. Just as three administrations have ignored the mindblowing corruption and abuses of power by the terrorists they put into power and insist on funding and supporting."<br /><br />Fixed:"Washington is of course ignoring the entire situation. Just as three administrations have <b>admired and envied</b> the mindblowing corruption and abuses of power by the terrorists they put into power and insist on funding and supporting."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-83787042507663101702010-02-21T02:28:32.362-05:002010-02-21T02:28:32.362-05:00Ok, so it's your head, not your heart.
Noam S...Ok, so it's your head, not your heart.<br /><br />Noam Shalit is holding Israel hostage, and not, say, Hamas.<br />(or the media, or our collective willingness to be held hostage)<br /><br />He is the cruel and the heartless, on par with the terrorists. A sort of inner Amalek.<br /><br />He is sending other's kids to the gas chambers...<br /><br />Your head may reside over your heart, but what's the point in that if your head spews rubbish?<br /><br /><br />PS<br /><br />No matter how many times you call me a moral relativist, it still doesn't make me one.<br /><br />Have a nice dayUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772609195999766632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-64107814463710998952010-02-21T01:13:34.371-05:002010-02-21T01:13:34.371-05:00Kol Hamerachem al haachzorim, sofo lihiyos Achzor ...Kol Hamerachem al haachzorim, sofo lihiyos Achzor al Harachmanim<br /><br />If you want to have empathy for your agonized brother, Israel is full of people who have lost loved ones. And if Noam Shalit gets his way, perhaps you'll be able to lavish your empathy on the loved ones of those killed by the freed terrorists.<br /><br />And of course you'll be able to pat yourself on the back over what a good person you are. After all you have empathy both for the victims and the perpetrator. Just like a good moral relativist should. Not like those heartless people who insist on pitying those who are suffering, not those who inflict the suffering upon them.<br /><br />I do indeed have empathy for that man, because when the Rabbi didn't answer him, he understood what he knew all along, that what he was asking was wrong. Noam Shalit does not understand that.<br /><br />That is what being family means. Helping your own. It doesn't mean boundless love regardless of what they do. Love and family only have meaning because they are mutually defining. To be a member of that family does not mean being faultless, but neither can it include people who feel no responsibility for one another. And those who abuse members of their own family are not members of my family, because I will not be related to the persecutors of my people.<br /><br />So there is indeed something wrong with my heart. The same thing that's wrong with everyone else's hearts. Lo taturu aharei levavchem . The "heart" is the seat of emotion, not morals. And so the heart answers to the head. Not the other way around. <br /><br />You are speaking out of emotion, not reason or morals. You think I'm being cruel, by refusing to excuse the actual cruelty practiced by another. Your emotion is blinding you to the difference between actual cruelty and the refusal to tolerate that cruelty toward others. <br /><br />Kol hamerachem al haachzorim...Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-78760159861648243212010-02-21T00:51:38.386-05:002010-02-21T00:51:38.386-05:00Yes, empathy to my agonizing brother. Outrageous, ...Yes, empathy to my agonizing brother. Outrageous, I know. I even have empathy to that guy from your absurd holocaust comparison. After all, he wasn't a kapo or a Judenrite.<br /><br />I'm gonna have to stay with my initial conclusion- that something is wrong with your head (or rather- your heart), I still think you're a brilliant man, though.<br /><br />Just don't come and complain anymore about those Liberal Jews who deny their own identities and roots- as if you're offering them any semblance of familial warmth, instead of a spit to the face and a 'monster' tag to their shirts.<br />Cos I'm not gonna buy it.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772609195999766632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-39416705161796472612010-02-21T00:22:44.590-05:002010-02-21T00:22:44.590-05:00When one misjudges out of grief and harms himself,...When one misjudges out of grief and harms himself, that's one thing. But when he misjudges and knowingly takes other people's lives... that goes well beyond the bounds of brotherhood. And yes that does make one a monster.<br /><br />This isn't about demanding Shalit's release, this is about being willing to pay any price at other people's expense to meet an essentially selfish request. There is a difference when such a thing comes from a father or when it comes from other people. I point you again to the example from the Holocaust.<br /><br />You choose not to find fault with Noam Shalit, even though you know that what he is doing is wrong. And that is your choice. You are also angry at me because I haven't made that same choice. Again that is also your choice. You've chosen empathy. My own empathy is not spent so blindly on those who would sacrifice me in a second for their own interests.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-21764061914297380332010-02-20T23:55:32.829-05:002010-02-20T23:55:32.829-05:00I didn't speak moral relativism- you chose to ...I didn't speak moral relativism- you chose to misunderstand: There is a difference between condemning or criticizing a man's deeds, and condemning the man's himself, metaphorically excommunicating him and beating his corpse dry. <br /><br />You wrote once, in an article about Jewish liberals, that belonging to a nation is to belong to an extended family, that we may not love all of our family members, but they are still family.<br /><br />What can I say... I wouldn't want a brother like you- that if in my grief I erred and in my desperation I misjudged, my brother would find me repulsive and think of me as some sort of monster.<br /><br />There are bigger fish to fry- there are the true monsters- there are Jews like Chomsky or Finkelstein who are truly repugnant. <br /><br />If demanding for Gilad's release is an indication of lack of compassion then about 40 or even 60 % of the Israelis have no heart. <br /><br />You speak about Sasportas mother- it was another time, another era. Since then Israel gave in and dealt with terrorists. It's not Noam's fault that it changed and he's very right to think that if a scumbag like Elhanan Tenenbaum was released in a deal- why not his gentle son.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772609195999766632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-61010860723727518182010-02-20T23:11:37.146-05:002010-02-20T23:11:37.146-05:00Considering who he's met with and the sentimen...Considering who he's met with and the sentiments he's expressed, I find no sympathy there. Noam Shalit holds Israel hostage over his son, betraying the security of the country for which his son fought for.<br /><br />This is repulsive and I defy any sane person to say otherwise, and the use of out of context quotes to justify moral relativism will not change that<br /><br />http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2649/daddy-dearest-gilad-shalits-pop-becomes-israeli-cindy-sheehan-fox-news-reporteratrix-clueless/<br /><br />His behavior is in striking contrast to so many other parents of POW's like the mother of Avi Sasportas who specifically did not want their children to be used as bargaining chips for the release of terrorists.<br /><br />How many more must die so that Noam gets his son back again?<br /><br />During the Holocaust there was a case when a father asked a shaila whether he could bribe a guard to free his son, knowing that another child would be taken in his place.<br /><br />This is not that case, because Gilad is alive and Noam would expect far more than just one child to die in his place.<br /><br />And if he has so little pity for the children of everyone else in the country, why in the world should I feel for him?<br /><br />Being caught in an emotionally devastating situation is tragic, but it is not an unlimited license to sell everyone else down the river. As a Jew and a lover of Zion, I would expect you to understand that.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-72824064001468641602010-02-20T20:32:15.370-05:002010-02-20T20:32:15.370-05:00Sultan
I'm not aware of any terrorists' h...Sultan<br /><br />I'm not aware of any terrorists' hugging willingness on his part and I don't know what else you expect him to do, besides campaigning for his son's release- he never asked nor wanted to become a public figure.<br /><br />But all that is besides the point- haza"l had a saying about not judging a man in his sorrow, and in another saying- not to judge your friend until you wore his shoes.<br /><br />Your repulsion of Shalit is contrary to the Jewish spirit as reflected by these sayings and extremely offensive to me.<br /><br />You can criticize Noam Shalit and the deal he's pushing for, but you have no right to treat him as if he's our nation's enemy.<br />You can't know how it is to have a son who withers away in the hands of animals, living a hell for the last 3 years.<br /><br />From a fellow Jew and a lover of Zion, I would expect more compassion and understanding.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772609195999766632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-83065958485394330522010-02-20T19:04:53.079-05:002010-02-20T19:04:53.079-05:00Thank you Christopher and Following
Danny, consid...Thank you Christopher and Following<br /><br />Danny, considering the man has shown himself willing to go hug terrorists and does nothing but demand that Israel do everything to free his son regardless of how many lives it costs, can you actually deny that what I said is true?Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-90694909137647475422010-02-20T16:01:42.728-05:002010-02-20T16:01:42.728-05:00I do admire your work bu sayings like this- "...I do admire your work bu sayings like this- "Shalit's increasingly repulsive father" truly makes me wonder if your head is alright.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772609195999766632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-89137600578511917482010-02-20T12:24:55.839-05:002010-02-20T12:24:55.839-05:00Great article, but I had to take a lunch break in ...Great article, but I had to take a lunch break in the middle of it.<br /><br />I'm joking!!! You gave us quite a lot to consider; and true also.Following Himhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07716770075660388260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-68278929402128980442010-02-19T19:58:45.455-05:002010-02-19T19:58:45.455-05:00"Republicans are out of control if even harml..."Republicans are out of control if even harmless rappers are terrified of them and their brutal outer space assaults". <br /><br /> LOL, Really good article. I laughed at the above for awhile.Christopher Darren Hornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04538037046604165738noreply@blogger.com