tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post1130657142247973585..comments2024-03-28T11:33:22.185-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : A Manageable PeopleDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-69942590557564204092010-04-18T18:09:11.583-04:002010-04-18T18:09:11.583-04:00Ty for the link, and Shavua Tov:)Ty for the link, and Shavua Tov:)Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-9532507436494271362010-04-16T13:13:56.293-04:002010-04-16T13:13:56.293-04:00cuomo was part of the reason for the current econo...cuomo was part of the reason for the current economic crisis<br /><br />http://www.villagevoice.com/content/printVersion/541234Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1339227351410268822010-04-16T13:00:37.458-04:002010-04-16T13:00:37.458-04:00"Their grand failures inspired them not to an..."Their grand failures inspired them not to an attitude of humility, but hostility. [I'd add, hubris.--VMD] Their analysis of their own failures blamed not so much their policy, as the people. The American people were willful. They behaved and thought in ways the social scientists did not expect. They did not do what was "good for them". They needed nannies and regimentation. They had to be made more manageable and brought into line."<br /><br />Case in point:<br /><br />"I've been a little amused over the last couple of days where people have been having these rallies about taxes. You would think they'd be saying 'thank you.'"vdavissonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13281312742549345774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-79532935758183282102010-04-16T12:53:30.587-04:002010-04-16T12:53:30.587-04:00Sounds like Cuomo has a lot of skeletons in his cl...Sounds like Cuomo has a lot of skeletons in his closet, too. Like Spitzer, I suppose it is easy enough for a hard-nosed AG to generate a lot of prosecutions and come across as an Eliot Ness and get a lot of support from the public.<br /><br />I probably will vote for Lazio.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-39077020983585407202010-04-14T23:48:29.150-04:002010-04-14T23:48:29.150-04:00Andrew Cuomo makes Spitzer look good. And I think ...Andrew Cuomo makes Spitzer look good. And I think by the time he's done, he'll make him look good.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-24596855006223061672010-04-14T23:12:39.639-04:002010-04-14T23:12:39.639-04:00It does appear enemies of the Tea Party movement a...It does appear enemies of the Tea Party movement are trying co-opt them politically as if nobody will notice what they do once (IF) they're elected!<br /><br />As for NYS governor I'm more inclined to vote for Rick Lazio than Andrew Cuomo. Paladino wasn't a consideration at all. He's a blowhard and has a lot of money. That's about all his qualifications are.<br /><br />The stuff about the racist, porno emails is true, though.<br /><br />No way would I vote for Paterson. I didn't know much about Paterson since he was only running as Lt. governor.<br /><br />I supported Eliot Ness Spitzer 100-percent, little knowing what would happen.<br /><br /><br />I'm sick of both parties too, but I am not about to throw my vote away on a fringe candidate who has little chance of winning.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-30788771422707104372010-04-14T17:01:18.433-04:002010-04-14T17:01:18.433-04:00I've only been to one Tea Party event and the ...I've only been to one Tea Party event and the only people at the one I went to that were making trouble were the leftists that came to the rally for the sole purpose of taunting and trying to cause trouble.<br /><br />I don't know about the situation in Boston, but here in Las Vegas we had (have?) a guy that was running on the "Tea Party" ticket, but he wasn't endorsed by or even a part of, the Tea Party of Las Vegas. A matter-of-fact, it is starting to come out that he was put up to running under that ticket in an effort to discredit the Tea Party movement here. You're seeing a lot of that play out across the country. The actual Tea Party movement, from my experience and what I know through my own research and not just from one hears on the MSM, is a group of every day American citizens from a broad spectrum of classes, races and political motivations that are just fed up with our government and BOTH parties. They want change, but only in the sense that they want us to GET BACK to our constitutional roots.Thomas G Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05751703444392821993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-3258841457314272132010-04-14T15:50:49.530-04:002010-04-14T15:50:49.530-04:00LOL Tom. I don't have cable or satellite so I ...LOL Tom. I don't have cable or satellite so I am not familiar with Obermann. But...the Tea Party mov't in Buffalo is a little out of control.<br /><br />First what appears to be a racially-motivated bomb threat at Carl Paladino's campaign HQ and a day later, a bomb threat at City Hall. Some in the Tea Party camp distancing themselves from pervert Paladino and others embracing him.<br /><br />Tea Party gone wild in Buffalo! Not to mention media gone wild in Buffalo and a very wealthy attorney running for governor acting like a fool and being supported by the masses.<br /><br />I guess all of this is a much bigger issue in Buffalo.<br /><br />Hopefully the Tea Party has more sane members in other parts of the US. This is the sort of thing that can totally marginalize them even among people who generally support their objectives.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-87963020374853360012010-04-13T20:57:20.791-04:002010-04-13T20:57:20.791-04:00even MSNBC's Keith Olberman is calling him The...even MSNBC's Keith Olberman is calling him The Worst Person In The World<br /><br />Oh, that makes it believable then... :-P<br /><br />Sorry, but NOTHING Keith Olberman has to say has any meaning in my book. He is clearly the biggest blow-hard on TV.Thomas G Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05751703444392821993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-22210493686301207462010-04-13T18:07:07.509-04:002010-04-13T18:07:07.509-04:00TY Daniel:)
I agree with you on all points. Per...TY Daniel:) <br /><br /><br />I agree with you on all points. Perhaps I've been jaded by Buffalo's version of the Tea Party, it's unofficial spokesman of Russ Thompson who is continuing to express Carl Paladino even as the mainstream national media are labeling him the Bigot from Buffalo and even MSNBC's Keith Olberman is calling him The Worst Person In The World.<br /><br />This afternoon there was a bomb threat called in to Paladino's campaign office by a "black militant group."<br /><br />The Tea Party Express in Albany is distancing themselves from Paladino but the city Tea Party is still supporting him.<br /><br />You can read more here<br /><br />http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/04/13/1017993/olbermann-tea-party-leaders-target.html<br /><br /><br />He's dealt a blow for the mov't. Hopefully people will look beyond the crackpots and gimmicks and become politically energized by the mov't and effective at leading reforms. I hope the Tea Party doesn't implode on itself.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-27524903880108613572010-04-13T17:38:43.851-04:002010-04-13T17:38:43.851-04:00DG wrote: the transformation of the people however...<i>DG wrote: the transformation of the people however is not natural, it is a managed evolution but an ideology that has exploited political and social power to transform America and its people into what it wants<br /><br />immigration, as in Europe, is just one of those tools, Obama's election is another</i><br /><br />Unfortunately, America is afflicted with both. I think Europe will save itself, despite Muslim immigrants. I'm doubtful about America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-13277565895113191732010-04-13T15:35:16.359-04:002010-04-13T15:35:16.359-04:00I went to my first and only political event on 9/1...I went to my first and only political event on 9/12 in Fort Worth, TX. It was an eye opening experience for me. Most there would be considered "Tea Partiers" and for many (if not most), it was also their first political event of that type to ever attend. We had people of all ages and races attend the event and the speaker, Judge Napolitano, gave a great speech that was very critical of Bush, the patriot act and how this nation is moving so far away from our Constitution. Many that criticize Tea Party events have never been to one and are too quick to listen to what our lame-stream media has to say about them.Thomas G Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05751703444392821993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-26545949650260212622010-04-13T13:15:30.320-04:002010-04-13T13:15:30.320-04:00Tea Parties are organized locally. There are multi...Tea Parties are organized locally. There are multiple groups that can use that name. And there's no official "tea party" that's responsible for it all. So there have been plenty of arguments over who's authentic and who's not.<br /><br />Not all tea party people are white, though a majority no doubt are. And there are probably much fewer non-white members in the northeast. That said just about any organization can be delegitimized that way. Including the US Senate, which has one black member.<br /><br />The costumes can be a bit silly, and miss the point. Those people want to show that they are championing a return to Constitutional values, but does dressing up in the garb of a particular era really do that? I think that kind of thing plays better in areas where historical recreationism and historical festivals are more common. It looks a bit weird in the tri-state area.<br /><br />That said people are discovering how to protest, and these are often groups with very little experience in protesting. And trying to dress up like the Founding Fathers is a good deal better than what the left dresses up as at their protests. I just don't think it's very effective and it can make them look silly.<br /><br />Palin is a separate issue. She has her own passionate fan base, and like all politician's supporters, they can get very angry at being questioned. The attacks from outside have only made them more sensitive in that regard.<br /><br />The tea party movement is being exploited already and is likely to be exploited further, because no presidential candidate that can win is likely to be serious about cutting government. That said it's a voice of protest by a lot of people who rightly feel taken advantage of and want a change. And after listening to 400 rounds of the left's protests, it's an important counterbalance to an out of control system. And it is still in its early stages yet.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-20476766499895044942010-04-13T11:59:13.084-04:002010-04-13T11:59:13.084-04:00My problems with the Tea Party mov't are that ...My problems with the Tea Party mov't are that locally it is perceived as racist (championing Carl Paladino following the scandle over his racist and pornographic e-mails).<br /><br />Not just for a common council position but governor! It's doomed to failure but the "we're mad as hell" mantra plays well with the masses and generates media attention and dismissal as "Tea Party types."<br /><br />The relative lack of races beside whites in the mov't disturbs me a little. True, our forefathers were largely white but...on the race level we should rise above the days of slavery.<br /><br />Obama got a lot of young Jews to support him and encouraged the shlep to Florida campaign to get kids to encourage their grandparents to vote for Obama. In an online list of discussion issues, one was: He's Black, Let's Talk About It.<br /><br />The Tea Partiers are white. We need to discuss that.<br /><br />I know a lot of people who support a return to traditional American values and virtues who are leery of the mov't because of the gimmicky costumes, including my brother who is as conservative and pro-American a person I know (18 years full-time National Guard) who looks at those costumes and feels it destroys their credibility.<br /><br />Then there's the open hostility to ANYONE who disagrees with their beliefs. I got blasted by friends and a relative for stating that I hope the next president is both honest and intelligent, and that Sarah Palin doesn't fit the bill in the intelligence department.<br /><br />This is hostility from family and friends! I find something dangerous about that. Something that can be exploited, which worries me.<br /><br />My fear with the Tea Party is that there's so much raw anger that all it will take is a slick or inept politician to derail it and use all that energy against it--and against a lot of people--even themselves.<br /><br />I keep getting an image of the balcony scene from Evita in my mind--charismatic leader with adoring and ignorant town folk waving flags and cheering, totally unaware of who and what they were supporting. Just going a long with the mob.<br /><br /><br />BTW: I covered my first ever protest (not Tea Party) involving fireman and cops against a corrupt mayor and administration. It was extremely well organized and I know there is strength in fighting a just cause but it has to be intelligent, too.<br /><br />The whole event was very energizing but intelligent.<br /><br />And yes, I saw people of all races protesting, unlike media coverage of the Tea Party rallies.<br /><br />Frankly, this rally/protest on the waterfront with cops and firemen was much more compelling than the Tea Party one.<br /><br /><br />Okay. I'm done:)Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-92002981788254621802010-04-13T10:32:07.751-04:002010-04-13T10:32:07.751-04:00My wife is an immigrant (legal and we went through...My wife is an immigrant (legal and we went through hell to get her here that way), so I'm not anti-immigrant, but she and I both see that immigration is the major problem in this country that is leading us toward a socialist state. New immigrants come here not even thinking about becoming "Americans". They come here to take advantage of the system, all the while maintaining deep roots in their "home" country. They, more often than not, keep the passports of their home countries (we should NEVER allow dual-citizenship in this country) and vote in both their homeland and the US. In his book, "The Next 100 Years", George Friedman of Stratfor.com touches on this when he talks about how in the not too distant future, candidates will run on multi-national political platforms.Thomas G Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05751703444392821993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-13118624999092723452010-04-13T09:59:10.948-04:002010-04-13T09:59:10.948-04:00America has changed dramatically in the last centu...America has changed dramatically in the last century. More than most realize. It has lost the purity of purpose and ideals it once had.<br />The Tea Party movement shows how much since they are now considered "odd" when in fact they are what America was.<br />The new immigrants have wounded America very much changing the mind set from states rights to federal power.<br />The Repuplican party let America down in support of TARP, spending, taking power from the states in violation of the 10th ammendment and aggragating power to themselves. Democrats are almost now pure crap, a truly un-American party .<br />The pure tea party is what America once was. May they stay strong and pure in purpose.<br /><br />And Keli many in America wear customes daily. The dressing up is simply to make a statement of a desire for a return to our real roots.Chana @ Lemon Lime Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11656854855385193867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-41251637377673438942010-04-13T09:56:29.632-04:002010-04-13T09:56:29.632-04:00K.A.
any populist movement will generate its shar...K.A.<br /><br />any populist movement will generate its share of crackpottery and dubious charactersDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-82756299901247790712010-04-13T09:56:00.894-04:002010-04-13T09:56:00.894-04:00DP111,
the transformation of the people however i...DP111,<br /><br />the transformation of the people however is not natural, it is a managed evolution but an ideology that has exploited political and social power to transform America and its people into what it wants<br /><br />immigration, as in Europe, is just one of those tools, Obama's election is anotherDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-27635610164496132042010-04-13T09:54:40.565-04:002010-04-13T09:54:40.565-04:00Thank you Tom, MikeC, Lance and DaisyThank you Tom, MikeC, Lance and DaisyDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-61698943984159314562010-04-13T07:59:42.936-04:002010-04-13T07:59:42.936-04:00Another truly brilliant piece!Another truly brilliant piece!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-76072166876010669342010-04-13T07:27:54.078-04:002010-04-13T07:27:54.078-04:00Extraordinary. Much appreciated.Extraordinary. Much appreciated.Lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584101003459890834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-73896820921113571792010-04-13T05:32:51.933-04:002010-04-13T05:32:51.933-04:00Good stuff DG
There is just one slight worm that ...Good stuff DG<br /><br />There is just one slight worm that niggles.<br /><br />I think a people deserve the government they get. <br /><br />There was once an America that had a people that were fiercely independent, and took pride and ownership of the constitution they wrote. Over the decades, and even the century, a new people have come to America - a people that do not possess that quality or that ownership. The new people had a different idea of the state, that looked to the state as a child looks to parents. So the government has evolved to represent that people. If the body changes, the face changes as well.<br /><br />The process is continuing, and Obama, brought up as a Muslim, is himself is part of that process, as well as a its champion. <br /><br />This process is insidious, and will eventually lead to an America not along the lines of Europe as it is now, but very much a Third world country. The tragedy for America is that there is no turning back, short of a major world war.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-32979036054022191652010-04-13T03:30:29.855-04:002010-04-13T03:30:29.855-04:00SK, your insight is amazing, you have put lucidly ...SK, your insight is amazing, you have put lucidly what I have always known instinctively but could not expressMikecnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-75173553883152613232010-04-13T02:30:28.361-04:002010-04-13T02:30:28.361-04:00I'd make a horrible Communist. I dance to the ...I'd make a horrible Communist. I dance to the beat of my own drummer. Always have, always will.<br /><br />The Tea Party mov't is great but it's starting to get some crackpots in its ranks--ie. the paranoia from educated people about the Census; dressing up in Revolutionary War attire; and Carl Paladino for NY governor???Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-12467667079615180322010-04-12T22:55:29.522-04:002010-04-12T22:55:29.522-04:00Another brilliant piece! Thanks!Another brilliant piece! Thanks!Thomas G Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05751703444392821993noreply@blogger.com