tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post102087430671295584..comments2024-03-29T00:24:13.128-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : The Rabin DelusionDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-11699527378458686592013-11-22T00:35:29.096-05:002013-11-22T00:35:29.096-05:00"Vidal's imagination of American politics..."Vidal's imagination of American politics ... is so powerful as to compel awe." (Harold Bloom)mrs adela bradleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06936627540063550202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-67297330353652307472013-11-19T16:16:28.230-05:002013-11-19T16:16:28.230-05:00Door-Door, Gore Vidal never wrote a biography of L...Door-Door, Gore Vidal never wrote a biography of Lincoln. <br /><br /><br />"There was all sorts of rubbish talked about the death of Rasputin, you know. That they had to kill him three or four times before he was actually dead. That they poisoned him, shot him, beat him to death, and then drowned him. In fact, they made it all up to make their futile deed seem more heroic. And the prince [Yusupov] didn't even do the deed himself. The truth was that Rasputin was shot through the forehead by a member of the British Secret Service [another Oswald]. Now, I mention all this to make the point that a man, even a strong man like Rasputin, or you perhaps, can survive almost anything except being killed."<br /><br />Philip Kerr, "Field Grey" (2011)<br /><br /><br />mrs adela bradleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06936627540063550202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-88286182605158232192013-10-15T00:57:54.314-04:002013-10-15T00:57:54.314-04:00Adele said:"Vidal's inquiry into his pers... Adele said:"Vidal's inquiry into his personal motivations for prosecuting the Civil War, for example, certainly better approximate who Lincoln was as a human being than the usual plaster saint renderings of the man"<br /><br />How do you know? You ever meet Mr. Lincoln in person? The only people competent to talk about the intimate side of a person are bosom buddies.<br />Biography and some history is fraught with opinion and people believe it if it suits their own fondly held ideas.Girl Next Doornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-64780633249800907782013-10-14T13:45:14.962-04:002013-10-14T13:45:14.962-04:00 Yes Dafna Yee! Socialist heroes like David Ben G... Yes Dafna Yee! Socialist heroes like David Ben Gurion who brought the no nonsense episode of Altalena affair. Golda Meir also great hero of socialist movement in Israel. Where they are now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-64510980250306222392013-10-14T12:52:41.960-04:002013-10-14T12:52:41.960-04:00That's a pretty superficial reading. His is n...That's a pretty superficial reading. His is not an uncomplicated legacy, just as history is not so straightforward as we might like it to be. Gore Vidal's inquiry into his personal motivations for prosecuting the Civil War, for example, certainly better approximate who Lincoln was as a human being than the usual plaster saint renderings of the man. He considered himself a Conservative, and not without merit. The old America First kind that didn't want a behemoth of a government or a permanent standing army or a national security council, and lamented the fact the US took over the old imperial role from Britain. He wanted the old republic back. He thought Americans were ill-suited for empire; that we couldn't afford it, and that neither was it good for us nor were we good at it. He lamented the fact, for sheer want of numbers his generation in having sustained the losses in the Wars, did not have more of an impact on the political landscape. I think about that having wider application to the social and cultural landscape as well. Of his latest publications, I think his "Inventing a Nation: Washington, Adams, Jefferson" (2003) speaks eloquently of his feelings of his country.mrs adela bradleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06936627540063550202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-63687814299697064912013-10-14T11:06:22.861-04:002013-10-14T11:06:22.861-04:00thank you Dafnathank you DafnaDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-54392801248663569062013-10-14T10:20:47.580-04:002013-10-14T10:20:47.580-04:00It's too bad that this insightful, thoughtful ...It's too bad that this insightful, thoughtful article couldn't offer some way to counter the extreme harm that the Israeli left has caused, and continues to cause, to life both in Israel and in the Diaspora. It did do an excellent job of describing the growth and changes in the Israeli left which once included such strong leaders as David Ben Gurion and Golda Meir. I enjoyed reading this article very much.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16866552329894492507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-30527274871130656902013-10-14T09:47:48.066-04:002013-10-14T09:47:48.066-04:00I found this piece to be very insightful and thoug...I found this piece to be very insightful and thoughtful. I enjoyed reading it. As a hard-boiled right-winger, I wish there was some way to counter the damage that the Israeli left did, and continues to do, to life in Israel and Jews in the Diaspora.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16866552329894492507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-66751586128473179402013-10-14T01:42:43.448-04:002013-10-14T01:42:43.448-04:00It meant he enjoyed finding conspiracies because i...It meant he enjoyed finding conspiracies because it made him seem clever. He was certainly literate and had links to an older America, but not in a particularly good way.<br /><br />Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-74154908619327741832013-10-13T22:03:21.810-04:002013-10-13T22:03:21.810-04:00That doesn't mean he was wrong about JFK's...That doesn't mean he was wrong about JFK's assassination. Gore Vidal used to say he wasn't a conspiracy theorist he was a conspiracy analyst. He also said politicians are opportunists, and I think he had an agenda to give an insider's view of the political class in America that runs counter to the hagiography historians too often write. While I don't really read him any more, I think he's worthwhile because he takes the long view of history, he's literate and entertaining, and because in him you detect the sensibility of an older America. (I also like his dismissal of the Beats as Looney Tunes.)mrs adela bradleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06936627540063550202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-24214317666071328752013-10-13T21:06:08.348-04:002013-10-13T21:06:08.348-04:00The lives of these "peaceniks" must be v...The lives of these "peaceniks" must be very miserable to so badly wish to commit suicide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-45483746022021407572013-10-13T14:57:27.634-04:002013-10-13T14:57:27.634-04:00"The Israeli left, like every left, is addict..."The Israeli left, like every left, is addicted to the smell of its own moral superiority,.."<br />Children are taught to be nice, so they can feel good about themselves. If they aren't taught that the World is full of violence and people who aren't "nice", they continue to act like children.<br />I don't know what can be done about it. Somehow, they have to learn about reality, but they love to feel good and superior, and hate the reality of mere mortals. Even a generation after Auschwitz, they resort to their parents instinct to ignore the wolf at the door, ever hoping for "peace". That weakness attracts all weak people to the Left.<br />Regards,DenisOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-34818453404150933242013-10-13T14:19:36.984-04:002013-10-13T14:19:36.984-04:00Gore Vidal also claimed that Bush was involved in ...Gore Vidal also claimed that Bush was involved in the 9/11 attacks and that FDR had advance knowledge of Pearl Harbor. His conspiracy theories extended all the way back to George Washington.<br /><br />Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-43981090755172260932013-10-13T12:38:10.245-04:002013-10-13T12:38:10.245-04:00Thanks for the insight into Israeli political hist...Thanks for the insight into Israeli political history. Yes, Rasputin died hard. However, mr bradley, who knows quite a lot about guns and shooting, has made exactly the same point mindRider does about the rifle. The most interesting explanation I've ever read is Gore Vidal's is the final chapter of his memoir, Palimpsest. He maintains Jack was killed by criminal syndicates to stop Bobby's further prosecution of their activities, along the lines of "to kill a dog you go for its head not its tail." Some people think the Kennedys also had something to do with Monroe's death, for some of the same reasons. It also occurs to me, that while having such a spectacular murder happen right in front of you, a television age death for a telegenic president, that yet goes unsolved, verges on the surreal; maybe the enduring power of the scandal is also a circumspect way of correcting the golden boy myth of JFK.<br /><br />Is Social Progressivism an American Plague? It certainly is a psychosis that leaves people brainwashed, arrogant and with about a half-a-second attention span. But, speaking of Massachusetts, it's hard to think what the Puritans were otherwise. Except that they still possessed the work ethic. Then again, perhaps that is the most amazing thing about the left, that it demonstrates so much industry and cunning on behalf of doing the wrong things. It really is bad religion.<br /><br />mrs adela bradleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06936627540063550202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-84599013186125393522013-10-13T09:51:26.243-04:002013-10-13T09:51:26.243-04:00Maybe the American Left is right about one thing; ...Maybe the American Left is right about one thing; perhaps Israel and America are too close as it seems the American plague of Progressive Socialism is contagious. Some thought 9/11 would wake the left up to reality. But as Israel displays the case study, a million 9/11's won't allow reality to sink in through the thick Progressives skull. <br /><br />As you showed a while back,Liberalism is a cult, these people and their beliefs just defy logic.AGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-45768645898082198112013-10-13T09:03:40.643-04:002013-10-13T09:03:40.643-04:00A great deal of things that can't be done have...A great deal of things that can't be done have been done. The list of things that couldn't be done in the killing of Rasputin beggars the far smaller list of things that couldn't be done in the killing of JFK.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-3367935536644645792013-10-13T08:07:59.651-04:002013-10-13T08:07:59.651-04:00You can't precision shoot an aged bolt-action ...You can't precision shoot an aged bolt-action rifle thrice within 6 sec. and the JFK team of extremely smart (liberal but not yet leftwing) cookies might have taken different actions in Vietnam.....(in a parallel universe). Shamir, Rabin and Netanyahu where pressured by the, always anti Israel, American State Department into doing things they rationally (also Rabin) abhorred.mindRiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160934421830568737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-511296500151680042013-10-13T05:44:42.887-04:002013-10-13T05:44:42.887-04:00The illusions of the left are inpenetrable. There ...The illusions of the left are inpenetrable. There is an infinite number of straws to clutch. The straw machine is manufacturing new straws daily.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-64265725113395996192013-10-13T02:26:41.147-04:002013-10-13T02:26:41.147-04:00the whole Oswald conspiracy theory is the conspira...the whole Oswald conspiracy theory is the conspiracy<br /><br />the left needed to direct attention away from the leftist killer to build up a 'right wingers killed JFK' conspiracy theoryDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-35789279160743558192013-10-13T01:48:26.195-04:002013-10-13T01:48:26.195-04:00"...even if Lee Harvey Oswald had stayed in M..."...even if Lee Harvey Oswald had stayed in Minsk." You can't really believe Oswald alone assassinated JFK. Magic bullet and all. Witnesses that pointed to the grassy knoll. It's not central to your piece, but Oswald was the patsy he said he was. IMHO.<br />JeromeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-53054974933888311442013-10-13T00:17:51.293-04:002013-10-13T00:17:51.293-04:00"The Rabin Delusion has made the Israeli left..."The Rabin Delusion has made the Israeli left irrelevant." Now if they would only disappear. Excellent post. As always Doris Wise Montrosehttp://www.cjhsla.orgnoreply@blogger.com