tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post8463250424613441761..comments2024-03-29T11:05:38.781-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : Friday Afternoon Roundup - Politicians and PrinciplesDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-45831101200878693582013-03-20T10:15:51.110-04:002013-03-20T10:15:51.110-04:00He was attracted to men, according to you because ...He was attracted to men, according to you because of the way he was "nurtured." He did not make a choice to be attracted to men and not women. You're right, the choice he made was to accept that attraction and embrace it, rather than repress it and live a lie. <br /><br />I will ask you again, when you wrote, "Senator Portman's son will never experience the joy and stability of marriage because of a decision that he made," what decision were you referring to? The decision not to repress his homosexuality? Why should he be denied marriage to someone he loves and is attracted to because he isn't attracted to women? Because it's "unnatural"? That's what people were calling interracial marriage 100 years ago. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-46766028010271594162013-03-20T09:47:47.480-04:002013-03-20T09:47:47.480-04:00He wasn't anything except what he chose to be....He wasn't anything except what he chose to be. Nurture might predispose us to be smokers, it doesn't mean that we have to smoke. It may predispose us to be bullies, it doesn't mean that we have to act that way.<br /><br />There are a constellation of human behaviors that we move among like voyagers. We can choose our trajectory and our destination.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1188061537846998032013-03-20T08:49:09.008-04:002013-03-20T08:49:09.008-04:00What exactly is a choice? Being born into a house ...What exactly is a choice? Being born into a house that "nurtures" you into being gay? Engaging in homosexual behavior? <br /><br />Don't be so coy, Daniel. Say what you mean. Exactly what "choices" did Senator Portman's son make? It sounds like you are admitting that he didn't have a choice to be attracted to men, but he made the choice to admit he was and act on those attractions. Is that correct? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-2363299052493271262013-03-19T16:56:22.384-04:002013-03-19T16:56:22.384-04:00It's still a choice, much like alcoholism is a...It's still a choice, much like alcoholism is a choice. It's not always conscious or easy to control, but it can be controlled. It's not an immutable aspect of human nature.<br /><br />I have no idea why Senator Portman's son made the choices he did, but he can unmake them. That is what makes human beings special. We can change how we act.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-20601308663454805182013-03-19T16:11:52.162-04:002013-03-19T16:11:52.162-04:00Daniel, let's say you're right that "...Daniel, let's say you're right that "nurture" causes children to be gay. That STILL wouldn't make being gay a "choice" on the part of that child. You don't get to choose the way you are raised. <br /><br />When you wrote above "Senator Portman's son will never experience the joy and stability of marriage because of a decision that he made," exactly what decision are you referring to? The decision to be born into a house that "nurtures" children into being gay? I'm honestly confused. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-85066350038573271652013-03-19T14:18:50.297-04:002013-03-19T14:18:50.297-04:00Not all choices are consciously made. Many are the...Not all choices are consciously made. Many are the product of nurture. Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-43025675566334494652013-03-19T13:44:14.817-04:002013-03-19T13:44:14.817-04:00@Samuel, so you agree that someone who is attracte...@Samuel, so you agree that someone who is attracted to a person of the same gender did not make a choice to be attracted to that person? <br /><br />@Isaiah, where are the studies of people "choosing" to be attracted to people of the same gender? Maybe the "dramatic increase of violence, injuries, murders and suicides as well as addictions and psychological problems" is because of the kind of bigotry and intolerance towards the gay lifestyle displayed on this blog. Just look at what happened to Matthew Shepard. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-68214713290852388912013-03-19T11:16:22.404-04:002013-03-19T11:16:22.404-04:00Ref: Lifestyles of persons engaging in same or bi-...Ref: Lifestyles of persons engaging in same or bi-sexual activity, there are *multiple studies*, statistics that reinforce the warnings in Scripture and that stand as evidence against these dangerous lifestyles. Besides having the highest incidence of ST infections and incurable diseases, there is a dramatic increase of violence, injuries, murders and suicides as well as addictions and psychological problems in this population.<br /><a href="http://www.pewsitter.com/view_news_id_125129.php" rel="nofollow">2013 CDC report.</a><br /><a href="http://daleoleary.wordpress.com/2012/11/30/the-syndemic-of-stds-among-gay-men/" rel="nofollow">Paper Citing Multiple longterm studies.</a> <br /><br />Any honest person can see the factual evidence is overwhelming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-57049927300068180872013-03-19T11:03:59.006-04:002013-03-19T11:03:59.006-04:00There is a big difference in having same sex attra...There is a big difference in having same sex attraction (a conditioned emotional response) and calling oneself a separate gender or name because of one's feelings. Same sex attraction is a symptom, and does not change a person's cellular biology. Even surgery and hormones can't make you anything but male or female or a mutilated confused human being imitating the opposite sex. 'Gay' and all the other alphabetic names are part of a political, social activist agenda campaign to normalize and promote the abnormal and unhealthy lifestyles. The feelings are real...but it is a choice and a bad one to act on them as the CDC, police and coroner statistics, science research, medicine have consistently shown.<br /><br />SamuelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-51404678143611468952013-03-18T15:00:32.768-04:002013-03-18T15:00:32.768-04:00Sounds to me like you're the one insisting &qu...Sounds to me like you're the one insisting "reality is optional," sir. Rather than simply accepting the fact that there are humans out there that are genuinely attracted to members of the same sex, you've created an elaborate explanation that has no basis in science or fact but allows you to justify discrimination against homosexuals. Let's see a link to a single scientific study that backs up what you are saying. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-68537113874358564132013-03-16T13:20:11.408-04:002013-03-16T13:20:11.408-04:00Anonymous: In Greenfield's defense, I say that...Anonymous: In Greenfield's defense, I say that homosexuality is a state of mind, basically neurotic, from which homosexuals simply don't "feel" like escaping or "feel" like correcting because they've been taught that reality is optional. Homosexuality is a state of mind which denies the gender of the person who claims he is homosexual because his genes are mismatched, or his cranium is "differently" mapped, or he suffered a childhood trauma, or whatever other pseudo-scientific or rationalistic argument can be dredged up by him or her or a psychoanalyst or a sociologist and passed for "reasoned" argument. Homosexuality is a self-cultivated internal pathology which revolts against a person's gender, that is, against the fact that he or she was born of one or the other gender, and not a third gender, or a gender that is somehow fixed between the two, but for which there is no evidence. In short, homosexuality is a bogus brand, as bogus as anthropological-caused climate change. The only individuals who might have an excuse for being homosexual are hermaphrodites, who are genetic anomalies, but then they can't really be called homosexuals, but multisexuals. And I haven't read much about the various gay/lesbian organizations championing the "rights" of hermaphrodites. Edward Clinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160209827969614964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-40755673163565016712013-03-16T10:39:08.645-04:002013-03-16T10:39:08.645-04:00The gradschoolification of America reaches CPAC. ...The gradschoolification of America reaches CPAC. Various reaches of the conservative beltway media are worrying about even talking about illegal immigration and affirmative action now, and Life issues have become taboo: maybe next year the conservative movement can rent a meeting room at Santa Cruz' History of Consciousness Department and save all that walking.<br /><br />It's terrifying that the narratives of the Left have been so dumbly embraced.<br /><br />I feel like shaking these folks and saying: no matter how much you twist yourselves into conformity to their politics (politics, not ethics, not views), they still need you for an enemy, so enemy you will be. But the denouement of this game will be bloodier than we know.<br /><br />Reminds me of the time the N.O.W. held a conference at a hotel where I was working. They sent us a memo telling the freight dogs that they could not swear, use gendered language, or wear deodorant when the N.O.W. was in the building. These men wouldn't have sworn at a hotel guest under any other circumstances, but could you blame them for bathing in Brut and whispering potty jokes to each other as the ladies ostentatiously and deliberately made out in broad daylight on Peachtree Street in view of the docks?<br /><br />You can never be politically correct enough. Probable not even after death. A movement that asks hard-laboring men to avoid deodorant in Atlanta in August so as not to offend the sensibilities of middle-aged women giving each other hickeys on streetcorners is neither sane nor likely to ignore any aspect of your lifestyle after the revolution.<br /><br /><br />Tina Trenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18042740028141957317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-23135076265569905912013-03-16T09:25:27.662-04:002013-03-16T09:25:27.662-04:00Daniel, I agree with 99% of the things you write o...Daniel, I agree with 99% of the things you write on here, but being gay is not a choice, any more than being straight is. Have you actually spoken to any gay people about that? Have any gay people told you they chose to be gay?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-52585132892066999352013-03-15T22:31:19.166-04:002013-03-15T22:31:19.166-04:00Spencer meant well but expressed himself inartfull...Spencer meant well but expressed himself inartfully. As a result he has done disservice to his own cause. He is also genuinely confused. When conservatives hear that he thinks Mitt Romney is a conservative they make fun of Spencer for being clueless. Spencer should stick to fighting jihad instead of opining about things he doesn't understand. But what can you do, even Mitt Romney himself at some point thought he was "severely' conservative, or at least said so. <br /><br />Besides being confused about conservatism in general, Spencer also makes a strange mistake. Just because Norquist is a traitorous jihadist doesn't mean that he is a bad fiscal conservative. Spencer who is a highly valuable and brave individual has revealed himself to be simple-minded, which is unfortunate. That's why I like this blog: Daniel isn't simple minded, but instead the opposite, whatever that's called.IgorRhttp://www.gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-14630918089065260622013-03-15T21:02:43.756-04:002013-03-15T21:02:43.756-04:00"When the Soviet Union began to gobble up Eas..."When the Soviet Union began to gobble up Eastern Europe a second time, Kirchwey said that America should accept the fall of Europe into darkness.'Peace and prosperity will be more than secure in America if we accept the process of revolution in Europe and the East instead of subsidizing resistance to it.'”<br /><br />Let's "reimagine" that bit of post-war "wisdom":<br /><br />"When the Muslim Brotherhood began to gobble up the Mideast and Africa, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and Chuck Hagel and John Kerry and John Brennan said that America should accept the fall of Israel into darkness.'Peace and prosperity will be more than secure in America if we accept the process of revolution in the Mideast and Africa instead of subsidizing resistance to it,' they said in a joint statement to the new refugees from the new Holocaust. In an announcement following the statement, President Obama signed an executive order to create a special Jewish refugee committee that will oversee the influx of Jews escaping the chaos in the Mideast, and appointed Louis Farrakhan as its head.”<br /><br />Given the behavior of the administration vis-à-vis Israel, that's not too farfetched a scenario. <br />Edward Clinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160209827969614964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-4539561328823766902013-03-15T19:43:43.700-04:002013-03-15T19:43:43.700-04:00"All that love, tolerance and acceptable has ..."All that love, tolerance and acceptable has not brought stability. It hasn't even brought joy."<br /><br />"Acceptable?"lgstarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02752386918407342437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-3365209925106378412013-03-15T19:30:02.560-04:002013-03-15T19:30:02.560-04:00Pharaoh O comes to Israel just behind the locust a...Pharaoh O comes to Israel just behind the locust and the slaves are careful not to offend or criticize the Destroyer,especially on matters that relate to Israel's survival in a sea of Islamic bloodshed that has only increased under America's Imperial meddling. <br />Israel always honors her destroyers as with President Bush's great accomplishment of elections in Gaza and the US creation of Hamastan, Gaza.The nation that traded it's sovereignty for lies of peace smiles with delusional abandon as they await more misery and destruction at the hands of their Washington peace pimps who always deliver everything but peace.<br />It's always more demands on the naive Jewish slaves who easily capitulate every time for lies of peace. <br />The problem is with Israel's weak,spineless,faith challenged,servile slaves who serve Pharaoh Obama as if he were Israel's God and who are incapable of making any firm demands from their false god which the people,government and media fawn over with such perverse idolatry.<br />The fearful,servile,little coward Netanyahu is afraid to make any demand like; Do not come to Israel without Jonathan Pollard,STAY HOME ! Marcelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14390860623982451091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-72279095469571209422013-03-15T19:29:02.352-04:002013-03-15T19:29:02.352-04:00The comments on conservatism seem spot-on. We can&...The comments on conservatism seem spot-on. We can't win by becoming more like the Democrats. Romney tried it and lost. Anyone who supports SSM, military capitulation, limitless debt, etc. voted Democrat. No votes were gained by a sheepish and apologetic "Liberalism Lite." The people who disagree with the Democrats but maybe aren't loyal enough to the Republicans probably just stayed home.pgknoreply@blogger.com