tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post8189311752648460299..comments2024-03-28T11:33:22.185-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : Virtue and the Moral Fall of CivilizationDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-63038472911951812392017-08-21T16:15:54.459-04:002017-08-21T16:15:54.459-04:00What you so aptly and eloquently describe Mr. Gree...What you so aptly and eloquently describe Mr. Greenfield, is what we've been witnessing for many decades now. Thank you for putting what we see and hear into solid intellectual prose.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419716884491717552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-91976467820658484422017-08-20T17:09:23.541-04:002017-08-20T17:09:23.541-04:00Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCD:
If I may make a co...Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCD:<br /><br />If I may make a correction. The first two sentence of my reply to you should have read: <br /><br />"I have no qualms with your views on the incompetence of the Republican party. Their incompetence is the cause of Conservatism not fulfilling the expectations you hold it's not due to the ideology itself." D.D.Maonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-89645915998039602082017-08-20T10:43:10.043-04:002017-08-20T10:43:10.043-04:00Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCD:
I wish your comment...Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCD:<br />I wish your comment would have been posted sooner so that my reply isn't lost in the dust of future articles. <br /><br />I have no qualms about the incompetence of the Republican party which you pointed out. This however is the cause of Conservatism not fulfilling the expectations you hold for it not the ideology itself. It has nothing to do with George Will, Charles Krauthammer, or Bill Kristol. As I wrote once before when a person runs for office they have in mind how they can better society for their constituents while a Conservative has how they can shrink government and make it more efficient. Conservatism and the environment of Washington can not compete with this logic. <br /><br />The past election was the opposite of "American Idol". At American Idol they start off with a bunch of weirdo's and end with a winner. It has long passed where using Hillary as your measuring stick for the current administration is either applicable or acceptable. History will determine the Trump administration on it's own merits NOT against WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN. Trump supporters are so infatuated with his pugnacity they ignore him stomping on his own nuts and thus hampering anything him or the party could accomplish. Using the excuse that rather than looking under a rock for faults you can use him as a stepping stone has proven to be a failure. The only draining of the swamp he has done is his own appointments of Manafort, Priebus, Spicer, Flynn, Mooch, and Bannon. <br /><br />Obviously you may "cringe" when he says something but you refuse to see reality. Are you getting tired of all this winning yet? D.D.Maonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-10232814575339757602017-08-20T07:53:27.365-04:002017-08-20T07:53:27.365-04:00One other thing to add to the descent of barbarism...One other thing to add to the descent of barbarism, is consideration for others. Just take a look at the way people drive on America's roads and highways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-21041897867901239502017-08-19T23:10:59.035-04:002017-08-19T23:10:59.035-04:00Very profound. Your writings are inspirational. Pl...Very profound. Your writings are inspirational. Please keep it up.Just the Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05733072072716953119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-70410534777393415652017-08-19T21:47:32.564-04:002017-08-19T21:47:32.564-04:00Mr. Greenfield you truly do have the most amazing ...Mr. Greenfield you truly do have the most amazing mind. We are very lucky to have you in our corner sir.Boomerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12282389901121990621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-45678290346322647262017-08-19T19:17:26.763-04:002017-08-19T19:17:26.763-04:00Apart from some portions of the Bible, perhaps the...Apart from some portions of the Bible, perhaps the most profound written word I've read. Keep it up, Daniel.Just the Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05733072072716953119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-82721785141038659092017-08-19T09:27:29.535-04:002017-08-19T09:27:29.535-04:00Well to me, unlike Mr. Greenfield usually, this se...Well to me, unlike Mr. Greenfield usually, this seems almost like a long bible class sermon.<br />Here is a worry. > "The virtues that uphold a civilization, ..to cooperate with those outside the tribe, .. "<<br />Isn't that a major part of our problem , co-operating and acquiescing to the barbarian who is here to invade, conquer and destroy us physically, spiritually.<br />To destroy as a Nation as a people and a Civilisation, and as a concept.<br />Co-operate if you are a stupid mentally deformed shell like Trudeau, but not me. <br />My co-operation will be full frontal ferocity.paul scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15675247055484136242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-51942366607306672962017-08-18T20:04:35.526-04:002017-08-18T20:04:35.526-04:00D.D.Mao: "When an amateur connoisseur of back...D.D.Mao: "When an amateur connoisseur of backwoods populism performs a lobotomy on the definition of Conservatism."<br /><br />I can on,y assume you mean Donald Trump. You may not like what we've got. I get it. But the other choice was Hillary. Unacceptable. Before that, the other 16 choices were a joke. A total joke. Not one of those people could've defeated Hillary. Unacceptable.<br /><br />In the end, what people call mainstream "Conservatism" isn't conservative at all anymore. It's a veneer, ankle-deep, phony version with sneers. People like Kristol, Will, Hayes, Krauthammer, et al, have showed us that the realities of politics are lost on them. We are losing. Badly. And the U.S. chamber of Commerce libertarian-without-the-consequences is an economic disaster for the vast majority of people in this country. Oh sure, it's great for the D.C. set (where all the aforementioned writers live, by the way). But it demands no sacrifice, no critical thought, and no care for the middle class. What counts for intellectual conservatism in this country is a bunch of theoretical jumbo-jumbo that doesn't work for the real lives it's applied to. I leaned this in 2008-09 when the brilliant "free market" lads said "Why do we need a domestic auto industry?" That's CRAZY TALK, with no grounding in material or economic reality. This just in... manufacturing creates wealth. The crazy talk is the GOPe. I could go through the names of all Trump's GOP nomination competitors, but it wouldn't really matter, would it? The middle class would've been screwed under all those guys (and one gal), and they would've been doubly screwed under Hillary's corporatism. <br /><br />I cringe sometimes at what Trump says, but man... that was our choice.Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18222603717128565302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-12964816490892871122017-08-18T19:43:11.636-04:002017-08-18T19:43:11.636-04:00As good as anything you have written.
Dave SAs good as anything you have written. <br />Dave SAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-62846550221090010482017-08-18T19:38:22.937-04:002017-08-18T19:38:22.937-04:00Brooks Imperial: Ah, yes... television. The Glowin...Brooks Imperial: Ah, yes... television. The Glowing Box. I understand your frustration and concern. The Glowing Box is the ultimate distribution system for filth. It is passively consumed. It has allure. It appeals to our instincts. It glows. We're all like moths, staring into it. Have you ever watched someone watching TV? I mean really watched it, in a disinterested way. They're mesmerized. It's hypnosis. It's deus ex machina, muse, narcissus, pixelated shiny stuff. It's the ultimate delivery system for emotional ideas, appealing to your most base instincts. Run a checklist on the Seaven Deadly Sins... they're all there with the Glowing Box. My wife and I stopped watching the news after Election Night 2016. It's amazing how liberating it is to read rather than watch SportsCenter-style news. Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18222603717128565302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-70020954896292438572017-08-18T19:21:39.130-04:002017-08-18T19:21:39.130-04:00This explains the Left's embracing of barbaric...This explains the Left's embracing of barbaric Islamic culture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-36940210108782772212017-08-18T17:56:07.162-04:002017-08-18T17:56:07.162-04:00Unfortunately America is in decline. This is how c...Unfortunately America is in decline. This is how civilization die. Fat, dumb and slothful.Infidel de Manahattahttp://www.manhattaninfidel.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-72095725058294897532017-08-18T17:28:01.972-04:002017-08-18T17:28:01.972-04:00Out of the park, Dan! Amazing finely nuanced deta...Out of the park, Dan! Amazing finely nuanced details and relationships between massively fundamental concepts, such as “Virtue negotiates between interests and ideals. This negotiation is expressed as a principle. A principle realizes an ideal and localizes it in an interest.”<br /><br />One thing that Robespierre did get right, The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant. - Max. Robespierre, French Revolution, over-zealous prosecutor<br /><br />And one of the countless guides in that crucial Guide Book of lfe, and a fundamental principle:<br />‘My people perish for lack of knowledge, so there will be a famine in the land.’ - Isaiah 5:13<br /><br />Principle, Fail to learn, consequence, Fail to thrive!!!! True, except to the ignorant or lazy, who will learn anyway, by pain…<br />JackIAmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11509511980209848210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-25539097648784165932017-08-18T16:22:44.280-04:002017-08-18T16:22:44.280-04:00You are correct in all your comments, except your ...You are correct in all your comments, except your conflation of right ideals with faith in "G0D" (or dog or xyz or whatever, since you haven't defined the term). Human virtue is a function of the ideal element in human nature. The "ought" must be derived from an "is", as morality is something and cannot come from nothing. Religious faith posits a false ideal, separated from human nature, and tends to result in carnage, as we have recently seen in Barcelona. Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05485671348128375796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-59995888494449342562017-08-18T13:29:00.686-04:002017-08-18T13:29:00.686-04:00God was generous in giving us an outline on how to...God was generous in giving us an outline on how to live successfully.<br />Those who, for whatever reason, chose not to follow those guidelines set in <br />motion the failure of civilized life for all. Whether one believes in God or not,<br />the guidelines He set forth for a successful society transcends the opinions of men.<br />And, men have proven it many times over recorded history numerous times on both sides of the ledger.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-14963683903551216102017-08-18T12:19:00.814-04:002017-08-18T12:19:00.814-04:00Another great piece...While I read many by various...Another great piece...While I read many by various authors, few can deliver on a learning experience like Daniel does. He writes what I would write if I was as masterful with the pen as he...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04051643524660506384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-77177993962639784182017-08-18T11:44:51.638-04:002017-08-18T11:44:51.638-04:00Individuals and groups have to learn to fight thei...Individuals and groups have to learn to fight their inner demons to attain virtue. Liberals think themselves above that struggle as holders of absolute virtue. The problem is that nobody believes, nor listens to them anymore and it is driving them crazy; their only option left to cure us all is some antifa syrup.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-71152972649645006012017-08-18T10:52:08.893-04:002017-08-18T10:52:08.893-04:00Outstanding breakdown of the madness that seems to...Outstanding breakdown of the madness that seems to have taken hold everywhere. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-78264665400751128162017-08-18T10:21:49.000-04:002017-08-18T10:21:49.000-04:00Wow. What a forceful message.
You only need to loo...Wow. What a forceful message.<br />You only need to look back in history to understand the force of this article.<br />It's not only Eurabia which is on a slope to hell after its destruction in WWII, just look around you and see what happened to Islam, ISIS, Syria, Lybia, Egypt and Tunisia. Turkey, N. KOREA and Iran are next. I hope and pray that America will wake up before it's too late. HolylandIsraelTourshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06737169920734662636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-58484345310249036932017-08-18T09:35:47.936-04:002017-08-18T09:35:47.936-04:00Good essay Mr Greenfield but I would question your...Good essay Mr Greenfield but I would question your terminology. "Sacrifice for future gain" is a contradiction. To sacrifice is to surrender values not gain them. To give something up for future gain is a trade. The kind of trade is called an investment. Yet every religion on this planet has demonized the concept of trade as evil because it is seen as self-interested which in turn has been condemned as selfish therefore evil. This needs to be challenged. Also needing challenging is you're acceptance that we humans are flawed creatures because we can and do make mistakes. That we have the ability to chose between alternative values that can sustain our lives or destroy us, is not a flaw but rather, a blessing. One thing we all need to ditch is the insane notion that perfection is in always choosing right and never choosing wrong. To do this one would not in fact be exercising choice and would never learn why right is right and wrong is wrong.Michael Neibelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15321103608597264855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-63650008125474957232017-08-18T09:24:56.849-04:002017-08-18T09:24:56.849-04:00Sobering words, indeed.
As always, thank you, Dan...Sobering words, indeed.<br /><br />As always, thank you, Daniel.Monoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-35431651167526697252017-08-18T07:51:45.813-04:002017-08-18T07:51:45.813-04:00“You need violence in order to protect nonviolence...“You need violence in order to protect nonviolence,” Ms. Nauert added. “That’s what’s very obviously necessary right now. It’s full-on war, basically.”<br />Quote from idiot of the Communist Antifa. These fools never make any sense.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09518677967627217789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-78901600927280402142017-08-18T00:37:22.667-04:002017-08-18T00:37:22.667-04:00"Our principles are how we aspire to keep tha..."Our principles are how we aspire to keep that faith. When we lose our principles we destroy whatever it was we sought to preserve. We become our own worst enemies and bring about our own destruction"........Daniel Greenfield<br /><br />Brilliant article Daniel! <br /><br />A civilized society FIRST LINE of defense is not law, police and the courts but customs, traditions, principles and moral values. Great horrors don't BEGIN with gas chambers, killing fields, or famine.....they are the results. They begin when a society loses it's moral values, principles and the value of life. When embroidered promises by politicians and radical outside sources are the playground for malcontents and the misled. When an amateur connoisseur of backwoods populism performs a lobotomy on the definition of Conservatism. Where recklessness is masked as righteousness. For ours is a world not of angels but of angles. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> D.D.Maonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-69667889433425563602017-08-17T23:27:04.862-04:002017-08-17T23:27:04.862-04:00I can't argue with any of the above Mr. Greenf...I can't argue with any of the above Mr. Greenfield, but I'm confounded by how the great majority of right thinking Americans, probably from the comfort of rewarding American lifestyles and a charitable disposition, take on the crazy mindsets served up on television. Americans have been bludgeoned with multiculturalism and the myth that all men have value, when in fact, some frankly don't. Should 3000 nazis (which is all of them by the way) occupy the head space of the majority of Americans? Or the Islamists or communist Antifas? Of course not! Yet we find ourselves preoccupied with their arguments. These people are literally insane, and their insane philosophies get to live rent-free in the heads of otherwise right thinking Americans. We need to call out their insanities for what they objectively are, and not for what they subjectively intend within the scope of their respective cults. There's nothing to be gained by empathizing with crazy people.Brooks Imperialhttp://elbertcounty.netnoreply@blogger.com