tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post7989382964321588968..comments2024-03-18T19:14:18.804-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : The Noose Around Israel's NeckDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-51878891103580486702012-06-11T22:00:08.625-04:002012-06-11T22:00:08.625-04:00A+
-- SpankyA+<br /><br /> -- SpankyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-18213599900839482162010-07-12T18:30:38.780-04:002010-07-12T18:30:38.780-04:00Geoffrey Brittain
your strategy isn't feasible...Geoffrey Brittain<br />your strategy isn't feasible on both a technical and ethical basis:<br />ethical, which becomes technical aswell: <br />1. threatening holy sites' destruction allows many the opportunity to paint israel with the same brush as the Taliban who destroyed ancient buddhist structures<br />2. This will to some degree validate pre-emptive attacks by anti-Semitic & Muslim groups against historical jewish sites in Europe that remind people of the holocaust. The effects of this will be felt in future generations where evidence of the holocaust will be greatly diminished in the face of holocaust-deniers<br />3. It is just plain wrong to do something that causes suffering to hundreds of millions of Muslims (Muslims are people too) if it can be avoided<br />4. Imagine the effect this would have on Jewish minority groups throughout the world<br /><br />technical reasons:<br />5. There is no way to conclusively prove who the perpetrator of a nuclear attack is, so how can israel justify their response? <br />6. Muslim heads of state aren't the only powers that want to destroy israel. What if iran sells a nuclear bomb to a neo-Nazi or other non Muslim extremist organization which then carries out a nuclear attack? <br />7. There are also powers that want to destroy Islam but don't dare to because of the possible repercussions. But they could launch a nuclear attack on israel and watch israel become their proxy for their actionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-28003629939301116392010-06-22T15:45:23.758-04:002010-06-22T15:45:23.758-04:00@ Im2sloe4u ~~
Amen.@ Im2sloe4u ~~<br />Amen.Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17706229786132028791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-14543846663176233202010-06-22T15:27:03.080-04:002010-06-22T15:27:03.080-04:00Shlomo, nixon's own reputed anti-semitism mak...Shlomo, nixon's own reputed anti-semitism makes him personally without defense. Only the one act of aid remains an important historical difference to Israel.<br />Can't know for sure if his statement re "mother making him promise" was lie or true. <br />However, was it even neccessary to exploit a mothers' forced promise, "to curry favor with the Jews he needed" while he was actually sending Israel aid?<br />My opinion toward a bigot would be that, THAT "mother-claim" painted himself with no personal merit. Never underestimate the sentimental guilt trip which the memories of a deceased mother can induce. even on a bad boy.<br /><br />I do disagree with you regarding "not even a staunch Xtian Zionist would help Israel if the US interests were threatened".<br />because such a person (really scripture studied AND believing) knows that G-d said "... and I will bless them that bless you, and curse them that curse you.."<br />It doesn't get any clearer than that, and His covenant never changed anywhere in scripture.<br />The fact is, defending Israel is the ONLY WAY to defend our own interests. Having G-d's blessing is #1 priority. He would make everything else fall into place if we helped Israel.<br />If our government won't, individuals must do whatever we can.2sloehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687684487054065583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-36777149197266112192010-06-22T11:44:44.045-04:002010-06-22T11:44:44.045-04:00@ Shlomo~~ "That the US will attack Israel if...@ Shlomo~~ <i>"That the US will attack Israel if it threatens it's relations with the Arab world in any way."</i><br /><br />A rather cynical assesment...but I believe you're right -- <b>if B. HUSSEIN Obama is still president.</b><br /><br />However, if your prediction ever comes to fruition - regardless of who's pres. - we can kiss our a$$ goodbye as a nation. <br /><br />God in heaven forbid it!!Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17706229786132028791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-8997911227732579612010-06-22T05:26:42.419-04:002010-06-22T05:26:42.419-04:00im2stlo4u
When politicians do something that they...im2stlo4u<br /><br />When politicians do something that they can exploit, they will lie.<br /><br />Bush didn't invade Iraq to benefit the Iraqi people, but that is what the official mantra was. To help the Iraq's be free from dictatorship. Of course that doesn't explain why he didn't invade Saudi which is even worse, and attacked the US at 9/11. He didn't say we did it for the oil (which is now going to China and other enemies of the US)<br /><br /> That is what Nixon did. <br /><br />The US HAD to intervene, simply to stop the Russians from getting a foothold in the Mid East. Nixon's anti-semitism is well documented.<br /><br />So he exploited that, and said "my mother told me..." just to curry favour with Jews he needed.<br /><br />Any other President of the US would have done the same. Nixon merely exploited it cleverly.<br /><br />Same as in Afghanistan. The US didn't fight in Afghanistan for the Afghani's during the Russian invasion, it was to drive out the Russians. <br /><br />To put it another way, not even a staunch Xtian Zionist would help Israel if the US interests were threatened. Thus confirming what i said first to Geoffrey. That the US will attack Israel if it threatens it's relations with the Arab world in any way. All Israeli politicians know this.Shlomonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-47650938032594636032010-06-21T21:37:13.230-04:002010-06-21T21:37:13.230-04:00Shlomo, many people are praying that the current U...Shlomo, many people are praying that the current US administration will somehow be removed from power, as obama & all his chosen ones are especially bad towards Israel.<br /><br />but I am not sure if the US has "never" been there for Israel unless it benefitted her? I am not as educated as others here about political science, history & such. <br />Nixon (in spite of his negative traits) sent Israel military supply during the Yom Kippur War. As I heard the story, he told Golda Meir that his mother was a christian and had made him promise her that "if it ever really came down to it" he would help Israel. Thus he felt compelled to send military & medical supplies during the Yom Kippur War when Meir requested it. His mother had passed away before this.<br /><br />In any case, even if the government is against Israel, this nation still has thousands upon thousands who support her on their own.2sloehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687684487054065583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-19108357795268724202010-06-21T17:15:11.763-04:002010-06-21T17:15:11.763-04:00"My assumption is not that the US is willing ..."My assumption is not that the US is willing to lay a nuke on Israel (we're not), which the US would have to do to stop a determined Israel but whether Israel can find it's backbone (not looking good).<br />"<br /><br />and there is your answer Geoffrey,<br /><br />Israel will not do that, because the US will not let it. <br /><br /><br />Like it or not the US is not on Israel's side. If it's interest are threatened, it will nuke Israel. The US has never been there for Isreal unless it benefitted her.Shlomonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-18368000377384213122010-06-20T23:07:25.081-04:002010-06-20T23:07:25.081-04:00"So Israel's new doctrine must also inclu..."So Israel's new doctrine must also include the proviso that any embargo and/or blockade of Israel by the West or UN will result in the nuclear destruction of the Saudi and Iranian oil fields and the blocking of the Strait of Hormuz."<br /><br /><i>"Makes perfect sense. If only,<br />You're assuming that the USA would sit by whilst all this is going on and let Israel take the Saudi and Iranian oil fields? I think it's more likely, that the USA would act against Israel first and if after, would finish off that the mullahs started. Free our hands!"</i> <br /><br />I'm not suggesting that Israel seize anything, just make a compelling threat that an embargo/blockade will result in the nuking of the oil fields upon which the West's economic survival depends. <br /><br />My assumption is not that the US is willing to lay a nuke on Israel (we're not), which the US would have to do to stop a determined Israel but whether Israel can find it's backbone (not looking good).<br /><br />If Israel could find it's manhood, it has the West by the 'short hairs', it's just too nice to fight dirty and delusional enough to think that the US won't really let the scary monsters get them. <br /><br />Time to man up, face reality and make the hard choices.Geoffrey Britainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01663224962346593872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-70512291174247198542010-06-19T03:56:14.304-04:002010-06-19T03:56:14.304-04:00Geffrey Britain
"So Israel's new doctrin...Geffrey Britain<br /><br />"So Israel's new doctrine must also include the proviso that any embargo and/or blockade of Israel by the West or UN will result in the nuclear destruction of the Saudi and Iranian oil fields and the blocking of the Strait of Hormuz."<br /><br />Makes perfect sense. If only, <br />You're assuming that the USA would sit by whilst all this is going on and let Israel take the Saudi and Iranian oil fields? I think it's more likely, that the USA would act against Israel first and if after, would finish off that the mullahs started.<br />Free our hands!Shlomonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-87082194250013838072010-06-18T18:41:09.390-04:002010-06-18T18:41:09.390-04:00Daniel Greenfield,
I'm open to other strategi...Daniel Greenfield,<br /><br />I'm open to other strategies but given the circumstance see no other viable one. <br /><br />Realities must be faced or as you point out, the slow march to the gallows will continue. <br /><br />Miriam'<br /><br />Yes, "eventually someone's going to have to wrestle the Israeli gov out of the hands of the secular/left" is correct or Daniel's gallows scenario will play out.<br /><br />The Gov't. isn't stupid, just <i>locked within its premises</i> and the 'logic' of the world-view they necessarily impose. <br /><br />I was born in 1948, my step-mother's Jewish (whom I adore) and I've been a strong supporter of Israel my whole life. I've been focused upon this issue since 9/11 and it's been a long journey. From examining the premises of <a href="http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2006-spring/just-war-theory.asp" rel="nofollow"><b>Just War Theory</b></a> to <a href="http://geoffreybritain.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/iraq-invasion-neocons-and-the-war-on-terror/" rel="nofollow"><b>understanding the infrastructural geo-political foundations of Islamic terrorism</b></a>. To the Left's <a href="http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2005/12/contradictory-discourses.html" rel="nofollow"><b>post-modernism's nihilism</b></a> to coming to understand the <a href="http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2004/09/enabling-behavior-for-terrorism.html" rel="nofollow"><b>nature of appeasement</b></a> to understanding the <a href="http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2005/08/shame-arab-psyche-and-islam.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Arab shame culture</b></a> to understanding the <a href="http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0410/glick040910.php3" rel="nofollow"><b>strong horse-weak horse</b></a> dynamic and finally, to the necessity for Israel (US+West too) to learn <a href="http://bogieworks.blogs.com/treppenwitz/2006/07/thanks_i_needed.html" rel="nofollow"><b>a difficult lesson</b></a>.<br /><br />I've only recently accepted the conclusion that Islam itself is the problem. What prevented an earlier acceptance was a natural reluctance to hold an entire religion (or cult) responsible. <br /><br />What enabled me to finally do that was in finally making a break through in understanding the <a href="http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2010/06/a-time-of-testing.html#comment-6a00d83451b8f869e20133ef88cd3c970b" rel="nofollow"><b>theological reason</b></a> (see my first comment below post) why Islam is the way it is, the theological impossibility of reform or an Islamic reformation and, why moderate Muslim's are complicit in the violence. <br /><br />Once I did that, my prior premises evaporated and I was easily able to formulate the strategy I've laid out above. It's not smarts, it's <i>premises that form bedrock beliefs</i> that prevent obvious options from occurring to us.<br /><br />im2sloe4u,<br /><br />Thanks, I have no contacts that would enable me to take this strategy to Israel but I am putting it out there on numerous blogs, including <a href="http://www.carolineglick.com/e/" rel="nofollow"><b>Caroline Glick's</b></a>. <br /><br />Now that "anonymous" has shared <a href="http://www.sarahhonig.com/" rel="nofollow"><b>Sarah Honig</b></a> (previously unaware of her) perhaps I'll share it with her too. So I'm doing what I can.Geoffrey Britainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01663224962346593872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-82943629153051368182010-06-18T18:22:32.177-04:002010-06-18T18:22:32.177-04:00FWIW I've linked to this post and added you to...FWIW I've linked to this post and added you to my roll. I knew it was bad but obviously I've been napping because I didn't realize it was quite this bad. Please keep up the good work. I'm learning.Sixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05572583408046642437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-49375553061030984412010-06-18T18:18:01.874-04:002010-06-18T18:18:01.874-04:00Absolutely right Daniel.
Have been saying this f...Absolutely right Daniel. <br /><br />Have been saying this for years. A strong Israel that punishes those who attack it, and punishes them in a manner such that it hurts, will be respected by Muslims as well as the international community, for they know that any nonsense will only lead to further punishment.<br /><br />Over the years I have advocated that Israel should annex territory for each terrorist attack that leads to the death of Israelis. It will soon get through to the Islamic states that this is a no win game, and they will forcefully stop the idiot Leftists from creating any situation that will cause Israel to punish them. By the mid eighties, Israel would have had a nice strategic buffer, and maybe even a kind of peace.<br /><br />By appeasing Israel only whets the appetite of the Islamists and Leftists, as well as indicating to neutrals, that Israel must have a weak political and moral case, and that is why it is surrendering itself.<br /><br />STOP IT ISRAEL. STOP BEING SUCH A MUG.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-62442862556632073572010-06-18T15:43:27.259-04:002010-06-18T15:43:27.259-04:00It is easier to agree with the greater population ...It is easier to agree with the greater population than stand for what you believe to be true. Unfortunately, nowadays people have turned almost zombie like and adopt the opinions of someone/anyone who has any leadership qualities, even if bad without question. It is very sad indeed. <br /><br />My home, my heart will always support Israel. Always. <br /><br /><3Canadian Annienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-55316830081144952222010-06-18T13:36:03.094-04:002010-06-18T13:36:03.094-04:00Thx for your so right analys. I wish that in a sho...Thx for your so right analys. I wish that in a short time a new leader will raise from the middle of our people to lead him to the victory which can be obtain, but with a high price. we shall stop to act like the jews in the 30`s in europe. enough is enough. Let`s roll! and Am Israel hai!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-30285430608963850862010-06-18T13:28:37.482-04:002010-06-18T13:28:37.482-04:00TO DALLAS - Re: THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT
I too was...TO DALLAS - Re: THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT<br /><br />I too was disappointed with the government's stand regarding the flotilla investigation, which basically echoes Obama's. <br /><br />But to Prime Minister Stephen Harper's credit, he has been a strong supporter of Israel, its right to exist, its right to defend itself, and in other issues as well. Netanyahu was received very warmly by the government on a recent visit to Canada. <br /><br />This week, in response to a "Helen Thomas moment" by a leftist member of Parliament he vigorously defended Israel's legitimacy and criticized the MP's assertions that Jews had been occupiers since the birth of modern Israel.<br /><br />Here is the video of Canadian PM Stephen Harper speaking in Parliament:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljA3xVLP-n0&feature=related<br /><br />It's possible that PM Harper is more of a Zionist than many of the members of Netanyahu's government, but his statements have to be restrained for reasons of diplomacy. He can't appear to be more right wing than the Israeli government!<br /><br />It should also be noted that the US takes Canada for granted and is used to push the government around. There may have been more than subtle pressure applied on Canada to side with the US in this matter. If so, it does not bode well.Tracy Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00518463946300763941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-52219475891806523312010-06-18T12:32:52.994-04:002010-06-18T12:32:52.994-04:00Plese Sultan and anyone reading this comments, the...Plese Sultan and anyone reading this comments, there are 2 masterpieces in Jerusalem Post by the 2 best journalists today in Israel: Caroline Glick and Sarah Honig. Not to miss!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-61696427189005880602010-06-18T10:52:39.598-04:002010-06-18T10:52:39.598-04:00thank you marcthank you marcDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-76583495224593071172010-06-18T05:25:23.031-04:002010-06-18T05:25:23.031-04:00Hi, my translation of this article into French has...Hi, my translation of this article into French has been published here: http://www.france-israel.org/articles.ahd?idart=619Marcorozhttp://marcoroz.over-blog.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-33845527346086873532010-06-18T03:49:27.649-04:002010-06-18T03:49:27.649-04:00Never have I seen such irrationality and obsessive...Never have I seen such irrationality and obsessive focus by the liberal world against Israel for not compromising its own security. The leaders of the world should be ashamed... not ONE national leader has come out loud and clear that Israel has the moral and legal right to defend herself.<br /><br />I was proud to be Canadian because of Canada's pro-Israel stance, but the Obama-like neutrality from Canada "wanting to see more facts" before stepping away from world opinion makes me realize that even Canada is acting like a sheep.<br /><br />No government will speak out: there is not ONE national leader that has stood up and called this kangaroo court for what it is, while any 12-year-old should be able to figure this out. It's no moral dilemma at all.<br /><br />Pilar Rihola, a Spanish politician put it well when she said that otherwise intelligent people, when they regard Israel, turn into IDIOTS. See her speeches on Kitman TV.<br /><br />Thanks Sultan Knish for saying what needs to be said. The rational world with all our small voices, must make all our voices ring loud and clear, and let our politicians know it, that the world had better regain its sense of real justice.<br /><br />A letter to a politician represents at least 40,000 of his constituents, and so our letters are powerful and the message must be reinforced before this public lynching of Israel (and resultingly the free world's values) gets out of hand even more than it has.Dallasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-88203560263860813882010-06-18T01:52:57.911-04:002010-06-18T01:52:57.911-04:00Same can be asked about politicians in many countr...Same can be asked about politicians in many countries, including the US and Europe. The answer is that politicians follow the path of least resistance and sometimes most corruption.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-27400362418474027982010-06-18T01:09:31.198-04:002010-06-18T01:09:31.198-04:00BTW - how can u, Daniel Greenfield and Geoffrey Br...BTW - how can u, Daniel Greenfield and Geoffrey Britain and a slew of others be so smart and the Israeli gov be so faulty??<br /><br />Is it the massive pressures that one faces when in the governing seat? Is it a conspiracy of the governing left to hurt Israel? Those were some very good points made, surely the gov knows all this???Miriamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-63695326548802132672010-06-18T01:09:31.199-04:002010-06-18T01:09:31.199-04:00Geoffrey Britain,
You should be taking this strat...Geoffrey Britain,<br /><br />You should be taking this strategy to Israel! It's awesome.<br />and while you're at it, can ya throw in something about that dam ground-zero mosque that's planned here in USA?<br /><br />"As for me and MY house... we shall buy rockets for Israel"2sloehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687684487054065583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-7648773716242307112010-06-18T01:00:40.510-04:002010-06-18T01:00:40.510-04:00I don't want to promote treason (mostly becaus...I don't want to promote treason (mostly because I'm quite cowardly and won't push anyone where I couldn't go) but the only answer i can think of is that eventually someone's going to have to wrestle the Israeli gov out of the hands of the secular/left.<br /><br />The Dai Leumi party is closest to that goal and that's probably why they are getting demoralized these days (gush katif expulsion, etc)<br /><br />Sometimes it seems like the whole world is a body, and Israel is that small part of the body that whenever it gets touched, everyone gets soooo excited! So bothered! They're all beside themselves! Every move Israel does makes the world nuts.<br /><br />But just like the Biblical Joseph, who resisted the temptations of Potiphar's wife, Israel needs to resist the call to give and give and give concessions after consessions --we are only creating bad "offsprings"/outcomes for ourselves. And the only way I see this happening is w/a leader who is unafraid and not simply reactive.<br /><br />What does all this mean for the regular simple Israeli citizens? Some how they/we need to embolden ourselves to feel righteous, to protest.miriamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-79425270499683503402010-06-18T00:58:15.099-04:002010-06-18T00:58:15.099-04:00commonsense, thanks for the response. I feel quit...commonsense, thanks for the response. I feel quite stupid now, having not known of YY before, I had known of only another as short, the YH.<br />Ah well, at least my name is honest.<br />;-)2sloehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687684487054065583noreply@blogger.com