tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post7645084473697874997..comments2024-03-29T11:05:38.781-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : A Tale of Two WarsDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-79005426698132403032012-02-16T22:15:07.962-05:002012-02-16T22:15:07.962-05:00I do not see how Israel can successfully attack Ir...I do not see how Israel can successfully attack Iran's nuclear bomb making assets with their Air Forces, without being spotted by radar well in advance. If Israel were able to strike at Iran in any manner, it would cause Iran to immediately strike back with their long range missiles, including those from their friends in Lebanon and Gaza. I think the most opportune time for Israel to attack would be the minute Assad is removed from power in Syria, and replaced with a West friendly government (assassination is most likely).<br /><br />American personnel and military assets would be the only enemy Iran could, and would, immediately attack with their air, ground, and sea forces. Iran is surrounded by American military forces. <br /><br />Israel will start the war with Iran, and America will have to finish it for them.Joe Ptakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08900160405673307850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-56049625436331305292012-02-14T02:33:36.596-05:002012-02-14T02:33:36.596-05:00@yamitt33:
I think if Israel uses any kind of nuke...@yamitt33:<br />I think if Israel uses any kind of nuke, it loses way too much in reaction from the US and the rest of the world. Nukes have only been used once, as we all know, and that was after an attack (Pearl Harbor) and 4 years of war.<br />Using "conventional" weapons will be hard enough to handle, considering all the targets Iran and pals have, and all the forces ready to blame Israel. Very hard situation. Time to (continue to) support Israel!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-46494972756685637702012-02-13T17:22:36.416-05:002012-02-13T17:22:36.416-05:00Mr.Knish I was not being insulting. My point is th...Mr.Knish I was not being insulting. My point is that too many people because of things like Entebbe and Osirak have this magnified idea of Israel's capabilities. Attacking Iran would cost scores of precious pilots lives and how does the IAF get there and back and where is the surprise element?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-47354300636593058832012-02-13T14:49:03.769-05:002012-02-13T14:49:03.769-05:00What has always bothered me was why Iran sought nu...What has always bothered me was why Iran sought nuclear weapons almost out in the open (semi Publicly) instead of like N.Korea, Pakistan and India clandestinely (Totally)?<br /><br /><br /><br /> we can't destroy Iran's intellectual progress and advancement, the data and know-how exists. Enough fissionable material could be stockpiled in the center of Tehran for the assembly of up to at least 5 devices.<br /><br />They may have off the shelf nuclear devices purchased from any of the FSR's , Pakistan or N. Korea. For the right price you can buy anything. Unstable Pakistan is certainly a greater existential threat to Israel with some 50-100 nuclear devices than is Iran today. Yet nobody is talking about destroying Pakistan's nuclear capacity although they can be considered a potential threat to Israel.<br /><br />Israel can use tactical nukes like EMP and neutron bombs to neutralize Iran's ability to counter attack. Bombing each site with dirty bombs rendering them inaccessible for hundreds of years is doable.<br /><br />I look for commando raids on each sight to accomplish maximum effectiveness, such an attack will have to take into consideration Irans command and control (EMP) and it's hardened missile sites. Hitting the regime personnel would be smart. War is War. <br /><br />Even if Israel fails in her aims, we must attack Iran and use nukes, otherwise we will face nuclear proliferation of almost every country in the region and render our nukes useless as a deterrent. If our enemies are convinced we will never use them then they are useless and that would be worse than the consequences of Iran getting nukes that they might not use. Israels second strike submarine capability and our arrow systems might cause them some doubt on the success of their attack and they know we will let loose with all we have if we are attacked with nukes. They may be fanatics awaiting their Maddi, but not suicidal with nothing to show for it. <br /><br />We shall see shortly as the window of opportunity if not closed is closing fast.<br /><br />I'm not convinced BB has the balls to go through with it and Obama certainly not.yamit33https://www.blogger.com/profile/04463759375229777469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-40289186848984967412012-02-13T13:33:14.261-05:002012-02-13T13:33:14.261-05:00It's sink or swim.
They're sitting ducks...It's sink or swim. <br /><br />They're sitting ducks and exactly what every Arab and other anti-Semitic regime wants--a large concentration of Jews (7 million if I recall correctly) in a small area.<br /><br />I hope to G-d that the various political parties in Israel get on the same page and fights before it's too late. Screw the rest of the world.Keliatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065269001128979990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-46697195323565812102012-02-13T11:06:21.432-05:002012-02-13T11:06:21.432-05:00No one knows the future. Otherwise, it would not ...No one knows the future. Otherwise, it would not be the future. Nothing cryptic here. Unpredictability is simply part of the definition of the future.<br /><br />Extending this line of reasoning, we are not exempt from visualizing the future in our heads, since planning helps to determine outcome. We just do not know precisely how. Everything hangs on a thread - sometimes called luck and at other times the Will of God.<br /><br />Of course, the Deep Left that seeks perennial change at the cost of others' lives and others' wealth is always wrong because they should know that the changes they propose are not the changes they get. And the worst among the Left don't care that this is so. <br /><br />Mr. Knish has of course gotten it quite right in his analogy of caring for the leaky roof rather than the welfare of humanity. Small steps, taken cautiously, are the only ones that can be predictive of outcome in most instances. For example, slavery disappeared within cultural Judaism at least a thousand years before the American Civil War without the loss of millions of lives. Only the most retrograde cultures still practice slavery with self-serving justifications. But as the Left persists in evening the playing field among all people, survival may require the reinstitution of slavery because people will demand it in order to merely eat. Of course, I am not predicting the future. This is only one possible endpoint.jlevyellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009369381088467381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-16937025997588692042012-02-13T10:27:19.642-05:002012-02-13T10:27:19.642-05:00There's no need to be insulting.
Israel certa...There's no need to be insulting.<br /><br />Israel certainly has the capability to inflict serious damage on elements of the program. That's not in dispute.<br /><br />The only question is the cost and how it will delay the program.<br /><br />Computer sabotage is going to have limited impact, assassinations nearly none. Those are ways of marking time.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-90102939857651255872012-02-13T09:26:26.692-05:002012-02-13T09:26:26.692-05:00Mr. Knish you have been watching too many Raid On ...Mr. Knish you have been watching too many Raid On Entebbe films. Israel does not have the capability of taking out Iran’s facilities by air strikes. If she could she would have done so a long time ago. The element of surprise is gone and only a sustained 30 day attack by the Unites States can accomplish that. Right now (until a new government takes over in D.C.), assassinations and computer sabotage are the way to go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-13703026236181853552012-02-13T09:05:00.019-05:002012-02-13T09:05:00.019-05:00Perhaps it will be a simultaneous event, Starting ...Perhaps it will be a simultaneous event, Starting in Syria, and Israel taking out Iran's Nuke facilities, Iran will then attack the Fifth Fleet, pulling the US into the fray. Probably in the summer when the Sanctions will have severely curtailed cash flow. Plus I believe Iran is storing excess oil in ships.<br /> But, the point is, Israel is head and shoulders above the rest of the World in understanding the Mideast and the Barbarians that surround them. Conventional weapons will be used, Netanyahu understands the choice. May G_D be with Israel.Greg RNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-26549086066883540072012-02-13T07:53:26.383-05:002012-02-13T07:53:26.383-05:00Iran is the central hub for a whole web of interna...Iran is the central hub for a whole web of international terrorist groups. I must admit, even through I'm worried of the consequences, I can't wait until the Israelis start pounding Iran's facilities with Jericho III's. My guess is we'll see a bombardment of around 40-50 Jericho missiles on key sites, and then the IAF will engage the flying museum Iran calls an airforce. However, the US 5th fleet in the Persia Gulf is incredibly vulnerable to Iran's Sunburn and Yakhont anti ship missiles. I'd hazard a guess that the US will lose some ships before this game is over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-41718737476466073452012-02-13T07:38:44.881-05:002012-02-13T07:38:44.881-05:00Surely the very recent statements from the Supreme...Surely the very recent statements from the Supreme Leadership of Iran that they consider it a religious duty to destroy all Jews is a declaration of war against Israel. These have been posted on many state sponsored websites which mean that this is Iranian policy, not merely the musing of some cleric. Israel has to be very canny in these circumstances and do all it can to protect its populace. Just heard of the attacks on Israeli diplomats today again, Iran's war has already started!London_Liznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-38925551857674436132012-02-13T07:25:59.605-05:002012-02-13T07:25:59.605-05:00“The neoconservatives were impressed by Israel'...“The neoconservatives were impressed by Israel's modernism, but they assumed that it could be copied over to their neighbors and came to resent Israel as an obstacle for not playing a more meaningful role in their grand theory of history. While outwardly the progressives see Israel as very modern, they reject it for not possessing the most vital element of modernism. Transnationalism.”<br /><br />Transnationalism? Rather, the neoconservatives and the progressives hate Israel because of its rejection of the idea of self-sacrifice, at least as an ingredient of self-preservation. Self-sacrifice is the touchstone of virtue to both groups. I sincerely hope the Israelis figure this out, and act accordingly. Otherwise, they’ll be dead meat on Iran’s banquet table of murder.Edward Clinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160209827969614964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-76646862267523125782012-02-13T05:21:04.438-05:002012-02-13T05:21:04.438-05:00The Iranian vengefulness plus it's fat finger ...The Iranian vengefulness plus it's fat finger in the pie of world wide terrorist organisations shall definitely have repercussions for Jewish "soft"targets around the world in case of an Israeli pre-emptive attack on Iran's nuclear structure. Pakistan's warning of providing the terrorists with a nuclear device should also be heeded, the ISI (Pakistan's secret service) apparently one of the world's best, could pass such a device to any of the larger terror groups. In all the Israeli leadership is not to be envied for the decisions it has to make in preventing the psychopats of Iran from going nuclear, especially if it finds itself completely without America's support.mindRiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160934421830568737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-29809963788092930532012-02-13T04:47:18.787-05:002012-02-13T04:47:18.787-05:00The consequences aren't unpredictable
Should...<i><br />The consequences aren't unpredictable<br /></i><br /><br />Should be "are" instead of "aren't"fsynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-89685221650415208702012-02-13T03:31:45.374-05:002012-02-13T03:31:45.374-05:00"That is because; Israel lacks the convention..."That is because; Israel lacks the conventional resources to derail Iran's pursuit of nukes."<br /><br />Do not count on that....<br />Israel has many uncoventional non nuclear devices...<br />The attack has been planned for years<br />obama willing or not,it will occur before novembre 2012.<br /><br />trumpeldorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-41499605905252907202012-02-13T02:10:49.128-05:002012-02-13T02:10:49.128-05:00Barring a nuclear attack, I imagine that Israel ca...Barring a nuclear attack, I imagine that Israel can inflict a severe setback on Iran's nuclear program.<br /><br />While it's hard to accomplish conventionally, the Israelis have managed to achieve stunning unconventional results before.<br /><br />Certainly the tone from Netanyahu and Barak seems to suggest that there's a way to cripple of severely set back the program.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-45610049219496896862012-02-13T01:59:06.331-05:002012-02-13T01:59:06.331-05:00Hmm, I trust Daniel you'll be a bit more speci...Hmm, I trust Daniel you'll be a bit more specific when you think it appropriate.Geoffrey Britainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01663224962346593872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-7290392067629591962012-02-13T01:15:05.871-05:002012-02-13T01:15:05.871-05:00Israel can make the situation require a US militar...Israel can make the situation require a US military component.Danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-17411597149290045082012-02-13T00:41:13.105-05:002012-02-13T00:41:13.105-05:00I think it somewhat unlikely that Israel will '...I think it somewhat unlikely that Israel will 'go it alone' with Iran.<br /><br />That is because; Israel lacks the conventional resources to derail Iran's pursuit of nukes. And because a pre-emptive nuclear attack by Israel is a political non-starter. <br /><br />An Israeli nuclear attack upon Iran would almost certainly result in the near complete political and economic embargo of Israel. Obama would push for and, might well succeed in permanently halting all American aid to Israel. Pakistan might well start handing off nukes to Hamas and Hezbollah for retaliation. <br /><br />Netanyahu must know this and that is what has held Israel at bay. <br /><br />Israel nuking Iran is truly "crossing the Rubicon". <br /><br />Which is not to assert that they shouldn't do it. Just that the consequences would be severe. It's going 'all in'.<br /><br />I don't see Israel as unified and tough minded enough to do it. <br /><br />But I hope I'm wrong.Geoffrey Britainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01663224962346593872noreply@blogger.com