tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post7193701034031093439..comments2024-03-28T10:00:45.108-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : The Obama Crackdown on the Jewish Media BeginsDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-73223249170101775212008-11-20T02:02:00.000-05:002008-11-20T02:02:00.000-05:00I just love these liberals, and there's nothing mo...I just love these liberals, and there's nothing more "liberal" than a Jewish one.<BR/><BR/>I blog rather than trying to get the Jewish papers to publish me. Only one American one does on a regular basis.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11246929075812590204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-52042327291111484782008-11-20T00:20:00.000-05:002008-11-20T00:20:00.000-05:00Newspapers today, blogs tomorrow? They must love t...Newspapers today, blogs tomorrow? They must love to hate my "Jewish" blogs that don't swoon over Herr Obama - the new Nimrod!David Ben-Arielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02271443642557427428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-39158502843089401052008-11-18T21:40:00.000-05:002008-11-18T21:40:00.000-05:00I think it will be a constellation of attacks, man...I think it will be a constellation of attacks, many that would fail in practice but are meant to bully companies into removing conservative talk show hosts<BR/><BR/>the fairness doctrine is the big punch you see coming, localism and others like it will flow more under the radar<BR/><BR/>the media will naturally trumpet this changeDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-90151912452285334772008-11-18T20:35:00.000-05:002008-11-18T20:35:00.000-05:00Sultan, thanks for this link to American Thinker. ...Sultan, thanks for this link to American Thinker. I recently posted on Rivera and his fervent hopes that localism will be the mechanism to change Conservative talk radio and implement "media justice."<BR/><BR/>Rivera is said to see communications as a "civil right," and when you read his writings at MMTC you can see this is a very big issue.<BR/><BR/>It is reported that Obama is not interested in a Fairness Doctrine, but if you take a look at his press secretary, Michael Ortiz', statement, it is not reassuring:<BR/><BR/>"He [Obama] considers this debate [Fairness Doctrine] to be a distraction from the conversation we should be having about opening up the airwaves and modern communications to as many diverse viewpoints as possible."<BR/><BR/>I believe localism is the engine that will drive the train.Maggie Thorntonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01681328690482778919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-73977667096548589342008-11-18T20:12:00.000-05:002008-11-18T20:12:00.000-05:00american thinker has an important article on what ...american thinker has an important article on what may be coming in that regard<BR/><BR/>http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/obama_declares_war_on_conserva.htmlDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-35418921683664655882008-11-18T19:40:00.000-05:002008-11-18T19:40:00.000-05:00There is a great need for these local and regional...There is a great need for these local and regional papers to stand by their convictions. I know that may be hard to do, but they will lose far more by not doing so.<BR/><BR/>As we have watched Obama the past two years, I think we knew it would be this way. Now...here we are. We must take a stand. Of course, that's easy for me to say because I'm not in the same position.<BR/><BR/>With the press ignoring everything about this man - we don't even know if he is a natural born citizen. The MSM was complicit. The press has a useful purpose in this country, and they have abused the enormous priveleges we have bestowed upon them.<BR/><BR/>Many HAVE given up their newspapers in favor the web. I passionately believe this is the way to go. While we may read a major online, free publication, we have many, many other avenues for comparisons.<BR/><BR/>We have only one way to return the favor and that's to boycott them. Problem is, it never seems to work.<BR/><BR/>I don't know what's coming next, but nothing will surprise me.<BR/><BR/>Excellent piece Sultan. I didn't think it would start this soon. The suggestion that Emanuel might be behind it is interesting.Maggie Thorntonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01681328690482778919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-63578273132802960382008-11-18T14:36:00.000-05:002008-11-18T14:36:00.000-05:00Excellent points Yobee. After some troubles I've h...Excellent points Yobee. <BR/><BR/>After some troubles I've had with government censorship of my press freedoms a journalism professor at a college told me that journalism is the only profession that has a constitution to protect it--The First Amendment. People forget why freedom of expression is so important, but one only look at what's happening to the press in third world countries or under dictatorships.<BR/><BR/>A crack down on press freedom is a warning that crack downs on other freedoms are down the pike. It starts with the press and then proceeds to what rabbis and ministers can preach, and to what people can or cannot say in the workplace...then come the consequences.<BR/><BR/>These harassing phone calls Sultan is writing about are extremely important. <BR/><BR/>Civil War II? Could be. I think Obama is trying to take away other freedoms. Let's hope he gets elected out of office before he can do too much damage to the constitution.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-84122699704497444482008-11-18T06:00:00.000-05:002008-11-18T06:00:00.000-05:00keli, but bearing in mind that hussein is a social...keli, but bearing in mind that hussein is a socialist, etc. anything is possible as far as censoring goes. <BR/><BR/>He's not pro-america. Heck, he's not even an American. Since he's not and he's shown by his confused platform that he wants this to be a socialist/communist society, how long will freedom of the press, etc. continue?<BR/><BR/>It's something to think about, anyway.<BR/><BR/>NRA members are thinking about freedoms we can lose under him. I'm meeting members of the NRA that don't own guns, but after hussein was elected went out and bought them. <BR/><BR/>There was a pretty significant rise in the sell of arms in redneck areas and elsewhere the day after elections.<BR/><BR/>Local papers were saying it was because of the fear he's going to try and take this freedom away. Civil War II coming eventually? LOL It could be. :]Yochanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835163236714972489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-31317489429593547342008-11-17T23:07:00.000-05:002008-11-17T23:07:00.000-05:00yes pretty much, and those who do buckle under sen...yes pretty much, and those who do buckle under send the signal that these kinds of tactics will work<BR/><BR/>and yes the worst is yet to comeDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-56360262187941334352008-11-17T22:53:00.000-05:002008-11-17T22:53:00.000-05:00Only slightly off topic: When people tell me that ...Only slightly off topic: When people tell me that most Jews (78%) voted for Obama, I've gotten so I say, "Yeah, and most Jews in Europe (75%) were killed in a Holocaust." And when they talk about getting behind the president, I assure them that I will... just like they got behind Bush.<BR/><BR/>Anybody who lets themselves be intimidated at this point, only makes it harder for the rest of us. The real difficulty will come when (or optimistically - IF) the Obamanists establish that "national civilian security service." I hope I'm wrong, but I have the uncomfortable feeling that when literal push comes to literal shove, courage will be in high demand but short supply.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-79616927050359696362008-11-17T21:55:00.000-05:002008-11-17T21:55:00.000-05:00advertisers are a key issue here, since the calls ...advertisers are a key issue here, since the calls are often coming from lawyers who advertise with the paperDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-51438016016519801412008-11-17T21:38:00.000-05:002008-11-17T21:38:00.000-05:00Oops. I meant to write complaints about Obama not ...Oops. I meant to write complaints about Obama not compliments.<BR/><BR/>Yo: I don't see blogger removing anti-Obama blogs but rather a rash of pro-Obbie blogs popping up. Strange that people are still defending him even after he won the election.<BR/><BR/>Regarding the harassing phone calls it may take a while for the newspapers to connect the dots and make the unusual move of banding together under the harassment.<BR/><BR/>For the newspapers that don't have recorders on their phones the devices are easy enough to purchase either from Radio Shack or (locally anyway) The Spy Store.<BR/><BR/>The way I see it, unless the harassment involves government pressure the only thing that would present a real danger to a newspaper would be if the pro-Obbie people boycotted the paper's advertisers.<BR/><BR/>That would be a death blow to small newspapers.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-46091145420317905782008-11-17T17:47:00.000-05:002008-11-17T17:47:00.000-05:00I'm sure Hussein will do his best to make it sound...I'm sure Hussein will do his best to make it sound like he's not behind the thugs calling, when he's no doubt behind it all.<BR/><BR/>What I'm waiting to see is if blogger eventually begins shutting down accounts that are anti-hussein. It wouldn't surprise me.<BR/><BR/>Great post, Sultan of Knish!Yochanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835163236714972489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-74907117594011057802008-11-17T17:19:00.000-05:002008-11-17T17:19:00.000-05:00re anonymous, information is being passed along sl...re anonymous, information is being passed along slowly and connections may come out of that<BR/><BR/>whether it will be reported on is another matterDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-3978911828682213422008-11-17T17:01:00.000-05:002008-11-17T17:01:00.000-05:00To anonymous:Sultan is right on all counts. The ne...To anonymous:<BR/><BR/><BR/>Sultan is right on all counts. The newspaper I write for is very small and we don't have recorders on our phones. <BR/><BR/>It's the pattern of calls that are important here. And I can vouch somewhat for the validity of what Sultan wrote because if you'll scroll up you'll see the response my paper got from a simple letter to the editor which was critical of Obama.<BR/><BR/>This phenomenon is real and alarming.<BR/><BR/>Sultan doesn't have to reveal his sources for this story. I believe him.<BR/><BR/>The mainstream media are less likely to get such phone calls. It's the smaller outlets that are getting bullied and barraged with compliments against any insult real or imagined against King Obama.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-62399870960524607742008-11-17T16:22:00.000-05:002008-11-17T16:22:00.000-05:00There are many blogs critical of Obama and if the...There are many blogs critical of Obama and if there are newspapers critical of him, they know whom to tell, pass along a tidbit of information. If such intimidation is going on, a list of who phoned whom about what would soon be able to find a connecting link so I too find this story a little suspect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-5829202614175781922008-11-17T16:13:00.000-05:002008-11-17T16:13:00.000-05:00Not every newspaper has a recorder and such a phon...Not every newspaper has a recorder and such a phone call by itself is not news unless it came directly from the Obama campaign. It is the pattern of such phone calls that is more ominous.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-20094864830898574612008-11-17T15:39:00.000-05:002008-11-17T15:39:00.000-05:00I have a hard time with this article. What is the ...I have a hard time with this article. What is the source? What newpapers received these calls? EVERY newspaper has recorders for their phones - NO ONE bothered to record ONE such call, so they could play it for the world? A call like that would be news and if these calls were really happening, Jewish papers would be PRAYING to get one of them so they could break the story. Sorry but somebody fed you some BS here. Of course, I doubt you'll post this comment as it blows the validity of this out of the water...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-4319127306534701192008-11-17T14:11:00.000-05:002008-11-17T14:11:00.000-05:00What do you get when you combine the press, a poli...What do you get when you combine the press, a political party and the government?<BR/><BR/>Il Duce!K T Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10259428595745509790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-39143121233249058722008-11-17T11:38:00.000-05:002008-11-17T11:38:00.000-05:00I think it will start with individual complaints, ...I think it will start with individual complaints, progress to mob action, and attempts to pass laws to quell any speech/writing perceived as incitement. Haven't Muslim groups already tried to pass a law on religious tolerance which would have made the publication of anything critical of Islam illegal?<BR/><BR/>For some reason that specific word--incitement-- keeps coming up in the Israeli media. <BR/><BR/>And at any point along the way the feds could call influential bloggers in for friendly chats to urge them to be more moderate and responsible. <BR/><BR/>What makes it troubling for bloggers is that unlike members of the working press bloggers for the most part do not often get the protection of media groups such as the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press or Committee to Protect Journalists.<BR/><BR/>It might be helpful for bloggers who write a lot on political matters to describe their blogs as online news magazines or something with the word "news" inserted into its description. Media protection groups might be more willing to help. And of course being published offline automatically gives a blogger some protection as a published freelancer.<BR/><BR/>As to why Obama's election has tapped into the dormant anti-semitism among his voters? I'm not really sure; I only know that he has.<BR/><BR/>I find it interesting and disturbing that no sooner had a photographer discovered a tiny Israeli flag in Sarah Palin's window bloggers were scurrying to find out if she had Jewish ancestry, to use as an accusation against her. <BR/><BR/>It sounds crazy but anyone who rejects the new messiah, Obama, as almost the reincarnation of JC, is regarded as a Pharisee.<BR/><BR/>Go to any Sunday school class or catechism class to see how Christians feel about the Pharisees. This could be why Obama's supporters are clamping down on the Jewish press in particular.<BR/><BR/>I know that sounds crazy but from comments and hostility I've gotten it seems like Christian supporters of Obama feel that way about those who don't support him, particularly those critical of his feelings about Israel.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-66335628093052557342008-11-17T09:59:00.000-05:002008-11-17T09:59:00.000-05:00but a lot of it will be soft intimidation, importa...but a lot of it will be soft intimidation, important conservative bloggers called in for a talk with the FBI and told it's their responsibility to be moderate, monitor extreme behavior and to shun blogs that fail to follow alongDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-21213510476487657592008-11-17T09:55:00.000-05:002008-11-17T09:55:00.000-05:00I think for starters they'll try to shout you down...I think for starters they'll try to shout you down, for larger blogs they may try to pass laws similar to israel that will make owners legally accountable for comments posted, creating a climate of fear and making blog owners paranoid about the opinions being expressed<BR/><BR/>we're also going to see a variety of laws, at least attempted, regulating "extremist speech" which will naturally also apply online<BR/><BR/>the supreme court may successfully shoot some of them down, but even so the threat of them alone will be enough to make many bloggers be wary of what they say<BR/><BR/>which is the goalDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-91613692298361565312008-11-17T08:49:00.000-05:002008-11-17T08:49:00.000-05:00hi, i wonder what strategy they will choose with b...hi, i wonder what strategy they will choose with blogs, if there is a conspiracy, hacking and crashing your blog.<BR/><BR/>or will it be a mass of pro-obama anti-criticism commenters?.. or both?yitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866660855678077639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-13021487380980582482008-11-17T02:12:00.000-05:002008-11-17T02:12:00.000-05:00I'm not sure what beta is, but whatever it is it's...I'm not sure what beta is, but whatever it is it's working and I can watch videos without having to save them to my computer again.<BR/>****<BR/><BR/>Blogs are really the only place where voices of dissent have editorial freedom. I've experienced official government censorship as you know in dealing with the police years ago. I can't begin to describe the feelings of anger and powerlessness. <BR/><BR/>At least when I get complaints from criminals who don't like their names in the paper I can say, "The First Amendment" when they ask who gave me the right to put their name in the paper.<BR/><BR/>But this stuff with Obama reeks of Big Brother. The only thing I could really compare it to is the persecution and ultimate mob murder of pro abolitionist journalist/editor Elijah Parish Lovejoy in the late 1800s. Or the present attacks reporters and editors at small, particularly ethnic, newspaper are subjected to.<BR/><BR/>It could start with phone calls, but that's only the beginning. It would be a mistake to think it ends with phone calls and letters.<BR/><BR/>But as for government censorship and persecution I can say this--it leaves a scar. Once you've experienced it you never forget, which is why even though my relationship with cops has improved 100-percent in an interview with a journalism student I still felt the need to include that in my journalism history and pass it on to him.<BR/><BR/>And a friend who is a freelancer who has tackled public corruption and been arrested (and acquitted) 13 times will often speak of the prosecutor this way, " B.Z. who prosecuted me 13 times but is now my friend..." Every comment he makes about his new friend, now retired prosecutor B.Z. is prefaced with what he did to him despite their current amicable relationship.<BR/><BR/>In any event, whether mob generated by Obama cultists who feel they're defending themselves in defending him or government censorship it is a dark time for this country.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-27750972398265012292008-11-17T01:09:00.000-05:002008-11-17T01:09:00.000-05:00Does saying that Obama's feet smell really really ...Does saying that Obama's feet smell really really bad count as a negative thing to say?<BR/>Cuz they really do.<BR/>If you went to his rally and stood close to the stage, it wafted from his shoes even.<BR/>It was just..ewwwwAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com