tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post6161147220899777175..comments2024-03-29T00:24:13.128-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : Is Islam's Problem a Lack of Modernity?Daniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-2978747448325815122010-08-10T19:06:15.365-04:002010-08-10T19:06:15.365-04:00"Their spokesmen understand how the enemy thi..."Their spokesmen understand how the enemy thinks and how to exploit Western ideas in order to subvert the West". So true. <br /><br />In London, there has been an Islamic camp to combat extremism; no they didn't remove the violent suras nor revoke the ahadith.<br /><br />On local telly tonight, there were some Manchester 20 somethings who explained in so many words that "it's not helpful to get angry about Iraq or what's happening in Palestine, you should lobby your MP and use democracy, democracy is in line with the teachings of Islam". Where? Where?. ..for women? ...and infidels?<br /><br />Yes, the 'pretty face' of Islam is a distraction, it is due to radical surgery, but the same brain is within it - it's far more dangerous than 'Talibanic' Islam (now not deemed a terrorist organisation, I believe - Jihad Watch)<br /><br />What to do? Lobby our MPs and use democracy, just like the Muslims, or theirs will be the only voice the govt. will hear unless the indolent of the UK and the rest of the free west wakes up and lobbies as well as this thieving, crushing ideology. kbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-58647026584231182642010-08-10T16:41:08.225-04:002010-08-10T16:41:08.225-04:00"... Nazism was startlingly regressive in its..."... Nazism was startlingly regressive in its worship of a single man as the essence of a racial and national identity." All the more bizzare because Hitler was not German, he was Austrian. He spoke German with an Austrian accent. His namesake father was an Austrian border official, but his biological father is widely reported to have been Jewish. He certainly didn't look "nordic".<br /><br />All the rot about the supremacy of the "nordic" races was carefully calculated to absorb the attention of northern Europeans and their sympathizers among the Protestants of Germany who shared many of their values.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13265154565691102783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-87846568103808677632010-08-10T10:27:02.614-04:002010-08-10T10:27:02.614-04:00Anonymous 2,
not just Peres either. You find the ...Anonymous 2,<br /><br />not just Peres either. You find the same kind of rhetoric among saner Israeli leaders too, unfortunately.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-20009835952690812102010-08-10T10:26:21.783-04:002010-08-10T10:26:21.783-04:00Anonymous,
Islam's actual orientation remains...Anonymous,<br /><br />Islam's actual orientation remains backward, but the tactics and methods of our enemies don't. But then again Nazism was startlingly regressive in its worship of a single man as the essence of a racial and national identity. As backward as Islam. The Nazis were nevertheless quite sophisticated in their methods and tactics. The Obama campaign promoted a similarly backward form of leader worship with cutting edge tools.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-6153655776063431402010-08-10T08:11:23.092-04:002010-08-10T08:11:23.092-04:00Great analysis. After 1967 when Israel defeated th...Great analysis. After 1967 when Israel defeated the arabs in war the great people in the Israeli government thought that by bringing economic prosperity and building universities for the Arabs they will become "just like us" (running after material things). Well it had the opposite effect, they became more sofisticated, educated and lethal. Interesting Peres still thinks the same today, never changed his perception.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-26722911470229176232010-08-10T05:41:49.583-04:002010-08-10T05:41:49.583-04:00For the most part in the West Muslims come across ...For the most part in the West Muslims come across as passive and gracious--well, in their dealings with most Americans anyway. What is said in their mosques on Friday nights? And how many of these modern Muslims would revert to extremism if they returned to their Arab home countries?<br /><br /><br /><br />Again I refer to the true story Not Without My Daughter about the woman who was tricked into going to Iraq with her husband for a visit. In the US he is a typical caring doctor. Once in Iraq he becomes abusive to his wife and daughter. Watch the movie and see the transformation from moderate Muslim to abusive Muslim.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-18381747975297295182010-08-10T03:25:13.891-04:002010-08-10T03:25:13.891-04:00While I agree on your analysis, I would add that I...While I agree on your analysis, I would add that Islam also preserves the culture & mores of 7th Century Arabia, the object being to turn the subjugated populations into Arabs. And, Islam inculcates elements of the personality of Mohammed the war-lord who was a pathological personality even by the standards of the time. How would you fit that into your ''modernity'' idea?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-75781840477314264722010-08-10T03:24:59.441-04:002010-08-10T03:24:59.441-04:001) What Obama says is NOT what Obama thinks. Wha...1) What Obama says is NOT what Obama thinks. What Obama REALLY thinks would get him impeached. What Obama says is what his advisers tell him to say. <br /><br />2) You write: "The problem is not that Islam is not modern, it is that it is not civilized." "Being modern does not necessarily mean being better, it means being more sophisticated."<br /><br />Exactly. Although semantics is part of the problem, it goes much deeper than that. <br /><br />The West often equates technological advancement and modern conveniences with civilization. However, a civilized society is primarily one where people are civil with one another, and treat with kindness those who are weak or helpless. <br /><br />Germans regarded themselves as civilized too, but once Hitler unleashed their inner barbarian, they became monsters with technology. <br /><br />3) The "liberal assumption that modernity means tolerance and reason" is hypocritical. Their much touted tolerance includes the right to torture or murder those who can't defend themselves. <br /><br />Liberal America tolerates abortion as a woman's right - completely ignoring the right to life of an unborn child. Fetuses are left to die in garbage cans. <br /><br />In the name of affordable food we treat animals as things to be consumed. Their lives are hell, suffering from cruel treatment from the day they are born till they are finally "harvested". We pretend not to know or not to notice. And go on eating them.<br /><br />4) As you say we have thrown away our beliefs and heritage. We are not even sure what our common values are anymore. These days the American Academy of Pediatrics has given approval for surgeons to perform genital mutilation on Muslim little girls. And recently a Muslim woman who strangled her teenage daughter got only a suspended sentence in Canada and won't spend even a day in jail.<br /><br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/canada-muslim-woman-will-not-go-to-jail-for-strangling-her-teenage-daughter-with-a-head-scarf.html<br /><br />5) Still, our system is better than what others have, and so we need to protect and defend our freedoms - in the hope that some day we may become truly civilized.Tracy Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00518463946300763941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-36977818279135305032010-08-10T02:07:51.266-04:002010-08-10T02:07:51.266-04:00Barry only has a limited scope based on his mohamm...Barry only has a limited scope based on his mohammedan upbringing.<br />His limitations and prejudices are exactly what evil need to flourish.Chana @ Lemon Lime Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11656854855385193867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-65774371517258773072010-08-10T01:10:08.660-04:002010-08-10T01:10:08.660-04:00"The unspoken liberal assumption that moderni..."The unspoken liberal assumption that modernity means tolerance and reason" This is not a liberal assumption, it is a Protestant assumption. Modernity and tolerance are reflexes in Western tradition born of Protestant struggles for freedom from Catholic tyranny and their failure to secure non-Catholic countries against Catholic power.<br /><br />And now the Catholics have let the Muslims in to sweep up what they have not been able to secure for themselves. And the arguments we make in fearing Muslims are framed to spike our knee-jerk reaction against "bigoted" opposition to the Catholic church and its uncivilized values.<br /><br />The human universe has been positively shaped by modern thought and especially struggles for freedom and the freedom to confront frontiers with the universal experience of science and reason. We would hope that uncivilized beliefs would just fall away naturally without confrontation under the pressure of these realities, but they are not.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13265154565691102783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-57051023929792644292010-08-09T23:55:41.599-04:002010-08-09T23:55:41.599-04:00"Their fluidity is downright postmodern."..."Their fluidity is downright postmodern."<br /><br />Nice one.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04205029127319846424noreply@blogger.com