tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post54089044513986406..comments2024-03-29T11:03:56.085-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : The Red Lorelei of Gunter GrassDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-49923791680953102402012-04-14T10:16:51.810-04:002012-04-14T10:16:51.810-04:00Altalena - the Left has infiltrated EVERY democrac...Altalena - the Left has infiltrated EVERY democracy, and every democracy ois suffering and being subjected to anti-Semitic agitations in different forms according to the country.<br />They all need to divest themselves of this poison, not just Germany.TBSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-80127070739919616672012-04-14T10:14:47.930-04:002012-04-14T10:14:47.930-04:00Altalena -
no German who didn't put Jews in t...Altalena - <br />no German who didn't put Jews in the ovens has any reason for shame.<br /><br />trhe real reason any Jewhaters feel shame about the Holocaust is because they want to put Jews in the ovens but know it is wrong to do so. But they cannot rid themselves of this hatred/desire and so they feel shame.<br /><br />No German - or anyone else for that matter - who is a true human being needs to be ashamed in their present life.<br />They do, however, need to be vigilant and prevent it happening again.<br /><br />However, Europe's go-to repsonse in any crisis or temper tantrum is to blame/massacre Jews.<br /><br />That's their problem, and Jews do not need to feel ashamed about anything.<br /><br />Pressure Germany? Please. There is no pressure by Jews on Germany, and by saying Jews should not discuss the Holocaust, is to, in effect, forbid them from remembering the dead.<br />Again, NO OTHER PEOPLE is told to forget their dead, their culture, or themselves.<br />Only the Jews.<br /><br />I'm not a fan of wallowing in the Big H. But Jews are not the ones pressing the matter. It's antiSEmites constantly whinging about Israel being set up to compensate for the Holocaust (a lie) and antiSemites constanly complaining about the presence of Jews.<br />You know what? <br /><br />It's their problem, and our job is to stop them making their problem our problem.<br />If seeing living Jews is such a problem for them, let thenm peacefully kill themselves and have done.<br />Meanwhile, normal non-Jews, who are normal people who have no problem with Jews, can flourish and good luck to them.<br />We don't need the others and the world does not need the others.TBSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-19174912054606426072012-04-11T15:53:08.971-04:002012-04-11T15:53:08.971-04:00@Altalena:
I DISAGREE 100% with you. The german &...@Altalena:<br /><br />I DISAGREE 100% with you. The german "shame for the Shoah" is such an hypocrisy. Of course I know I am generalizing with this, and I'm sorry if I offend any german who thinks it differently, but my opinion is that the german mentality is fertile ground for national socialism. Germans are fervent statists and civil servants. For them state is above family. To this add their strong attachment to the "heim" (homeland) and obsession for rules and regulations and you get an incubator for certain ideas. "Ideology" is also something that lurks quite deep in the entire middle eurasia, meaning germany and russia. And ideology is very dangerous weapon. <br /><br />In germany is a total taboo to even think about the holocaust. Because of sense of shame? Maybe. For some. But left and extreme right have too good synergy in germany (even if silently and sneakly) in hating the Jews (and the other "tribes" like the italians and the greeks). I think the incredibly lousy "intellectual" Herr Grass represents many of these "guilty but not really" types.<br /><br />German "rehabilitation" is bogus in my opinion, actually in big part of europe jew-hatred is just dorment.<br /><br />Israel and the Jews should relieve the germans from their sense of guilt? Sorry? Was this a joke? Like the "holocaust is obsolete"? Sure: soon it will be revised and it will become the biggest hoax of history. Is the explosion of holocaus denial "scientific documentaries" on youtube a plot to release sense of guilt? I guess so. <br /><br />Daniel 100% right here: "Germany is "getting over" the Holocaust to the extent that it needs getting over, but it's likely to continue repeating the past and its 20th century history with disastrous results. Not the simplistic swastika flags version, but the grand experiments.<br /><br />The EU is arguably a thin repetition of the same follies."<br /><br />Fed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-73905613835484190932012-04-11T15:25:36.560-04:002012-04-11T15:25:36.560-04:00As an addendum, I don't think it's the Hol...As an addendum, I don't think it's the Holocaust that haunts Germany, it's more of a convenient explanation.<br /><br />Post-WW2 Germany is haunted by the same things that haunted post-WW1 Germany and Post WW2 Japan. Americans have had a small taste of that after Vietnam. <br /><br />The Holocaust in Germany lends moral grandeur to what would otherwise be a disastrous military adventure that ended with massive death and destruction at home.<br /><br />Germany is "getting over" the Holocaust to the extent that it needs getting over, but it's likely to continue repeating the past and its 20th century history with disastrous results. Not the simplistic swastika flags version, but the grand experiments.<br /><br />The EU is arguably a thin repetition of the same follies.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-57636047917543175702012-04-11T15:19:44.013-04:002012-04-11T15:19:44.013-04:00The problem is that European nationalists are stil...The problem is that European nationalists are still in a state of chaos. <br /><br />The Nazis were arguably pseudo-nationalists, angling for a continental superstate based on a dubious notion of an Aryan race with heavy doses of socialism, but that past still characterizes some elements of the European right, sizable chunks of which dragged themselves in afterward.<br /><br />Chunks of the right still have their own Jewish obsessions that they can't let go of. That's more of a problem in America, but it's still an issue in Europe. <br /><br />The rise of a rational right might be the only thing that could save Europe. <br /><br />The core issue is not whether Jews and Germans get along, no more than it is whether the English and the Irish get along, it's recognizing the larger threat. <br /><br />There's a lot of ugly history all throughout Europe. People have the right to their own history and their own story. And that really is what this is about.<br /><br />The fight against the left and Islam is the resistance to those who would impose a collective outside narrative, eliminating cultures, nations and religions.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-76625440303367797652012-04-11T14:18:17.049-04:002012-04-11T14:18:17.049-04:00I don't think Jews should forgive Amalek, not ...I don't think Jews should forgive Amalek, not now, not in the future not ever. By the way it is all semantics, right, left and in between, it all comes down to assimilation, self de-judaization, wanting to be one with the "world" when G-d made us separate in all ways. Even our terrible Holocaust the loss of 1/3rd of our nation is being used to hit us on our collective heads. In the end we will probably see it because there will be no choice, but at what price?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-10401331341145959652012-04-11T12:51:38.229-04:002012-04-11T12:51:38.229-04:00This is worth watching
The legacy of socialism
h...This is worth watching<br /><br /><b>The legacy of socialism</b><br /><br />http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=46804http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=46804<br /><br />The evils of communism/socialism have been known since the 70′s. The sheer scale of the holocaust perpetrated by the communists has no parallel in history. That too is well known. Yet the MSM, and in particular the standard bearer, the BBC, a hive of well paid socialists, has never ever addressed it, in the fullness, and time, that such a despicable ideology should have been.<br /><br />What this lecture does very well is its condemnation of the The Big Holocaust (150 million people massacred), perpetrated by the communists/socialists/Left, as well as the silence of the supposedly objective academia and MSM. It does so with restrained anger. The entire world should be made aware of the genocidal crimes of the communists/socialists, when they achieve power. The lesson should be repeated every five years for the next crop of young people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-56404675266013809362012-04-11T11:53:01.968-04:002012-04-11T11:53:01.968-04:00@Vlad: Absolutely.@Vlad: Absolutely.Altalenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06740790190160033496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-52941414989157812102012-04-11T11:52:28.380-04:002012-04-11T11:52:28.380-04:00@Kyra
For one thing, Germany has truly earned its ...@Kyra<br />For one thing, Germany has truly earned its historic rehabilitation in the past decades, I don't think there can be much debate about that. They have come very far, indeed a bit too far and have fallen into the grip of the Left in their self-humiliation. <br />The reason Israel needs to help them is because in this new situation the old narrative of the Holocaust guilt doesn't work anymore, it has become obsolete. There will be a new narrative and Israel should try to influence what that will be. <br /><br />History is understood through stories that have morals, this is simply how our cognition works, and whoever is giving a society a more compelling story is winning the hearts and minds of people. <br />Israel is in an ideological race with the political Left as to whose narrative will capture more hearts in the world. The Left has a very powerful weapon with their narrative of universal brotherhood, it seems very moral, very progressive. Superficially it seems the right idea to pursue. (In fact it isn't, it is immoral and deadly, but that understanding needs a more detailed analysis of the narrative.)<br /><br />In this Leftist myth, Israel is a hindrance to world peace and to universal brotherhood with its Zionism, with the so-called oppression of the victimized Palestinians, etc. If this narrative connects with the German need of overcoming their Holocaust shame, it will provide Germany with a story where their feeling of disgrace will appear to be the fault of Zionist Jews, and it will turn into anti-Semitism.<br /><br />Someone has to offer a different narrative to Germany. The need to overcome their disgrace can be redirected into a new nationalist German movement where a proud Germany is in alliance with Israel against the anti-nationalist, destructive Left. <br />But this hardly happens by itself, political institutions or governments will have to do it, or at least help it along. The Left has a popular narrative - if Israel does not, it will lose the ideological race.Altalenanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-83408341046508295332012-04-11T09:03:03.627-04:002012-04-11T09:03:03.627-04:00@altalena - Agreed.
I see Israel and the Jews as ...@altalena - Agreed.<br /><br />I see Israel and the Jews as allies of Germany and the Germans.<br />I see Zionism as nationalism for Jews.<br />And I see Germany greatly in need of German nationalism, German Zionism.<br />Because today they both have a common enemy, the Left, and the wrecking ball of the Left, islam.<br /><br />If Israel and Germany looked to the future they would be allies in the fight against islam and the Left, and allies in the promotion of the idea of the nation state as opposed to the "one world government" of the Left.<br /><br />The nation state should be the fundamental building block of the world just like the family should be the fundamental building block of the state.<br />Israel and Germany wouild both benefit from working together to promote the legitimacy of the idea of the nationalist ethnostate.<br />The alternative is the destruction of both countries by islam and then the final victory of the "one world government" of the Left.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-58383665821266067422012-04-11T08:58:20.719-04:002012-04-11T08:58:20.719-04:00Why is it my responsibility to help Germans get ri...Why is it my responsibility to help Germans get rid of their shame???? If they want to get rid of it it is up to them to act in a different manner at each new opportunity. They don't so I don't give a sh*t about all that inconvenient messy guilt. Now let me go eat my matzah.Kyra Nelsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-92012821613809910792012-04-11T06:37:00.132-04:002012-04-11T06:37:00.132-04:00To me it seems there is a growing and absolutely l...To me it seems there is a growing and absolutely legitimate need in Germany to move on from the feeling of shame and responsibility about the Holocaust. Not from the factual acknowledgment of the responsibility, but the permeating <i>feeling</i> of shame. This is an understandable, timely, and may I say well-deserved, need three generations after the Shoah. <br /><br />The danger is that this growing need in German society will be exploited by the Left and channeled into their kind of anti-Zionism, in other words anti-Semitism. If the Left is the only political representation to address this issue, and Zionist Jews in Europe and the government of Israel does not help Germany to put the feeling of shame behind them, this overdrawn shame will turn into resentment and indeed turn into a new anti-Semitism. <br /> <br />Israel and European Jews must understand this and take the initiative to draw the discussion away from the Holocaust to release Germany from this kind of pressure, and instead turn it into a discussion about the Left. Pretty much how Daniel does in this article. <br /><br />But what happens instead is that we get remarks from Lieberman about a "second Holocaust" in context with Grass. And we get the same approach very markedly from Jewish intellectuals in Europe who can't seem to think of a better viewpoint than the Holocaust when condemning Grass, when condemning Western appeasement of Iran, when talking about pretty much anything in present-day European politics. Instead of establishing new alliances (e.g. with the new nationalist movements, think 'Gates of Vienna' for example), the Holocaust symbol puts the whole continent and the whole of Germany under the same unifying condemnation. <br /><br />European Jewry and to an extent the Israeli government is playing into the hands of the Left by repeating the same analogy of the Holocaust over and over again. We need to see how present-day politics in Europe differs from 70 years ago and find new metaphors to express what is wrong in the continent. The problem with Grass is not that he was in Waffen SS, the problem is here and now with the Leftist post-colonial narrative, the victimization of Muslim terrorists, etc. Certainly it has its roots in the past but the Holocaust should not be the ultimate symbol we always resort to. It has become counterproductive, and what's more, there is a much better narrative instead to focus on the political Left.Altalenanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-72748994704320176002012-04-11T02:47:45.743-04:002012-04-11T02:47:45.743-04:00The simple approach:
......Your an anti-semite? on...The simple approach:<br />......Your an anti-semite? on what reason?........Well I don't know, just hate Jews......<br />I'll give you a reason to hate this Jew (hit the bastard in the nose hard)mindRiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160934421830568737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-88625523777316754172012-04-11T01:06:44.247-04:002012-04-11T01:06:44.247-04:00He was a member of the Waffen SS. Of course he was...He was a member of the Waffen SS. Of course he was in his 80's before he admitted this. But you are right about him and his "followers". They will forever justify their antisemitism, and their children will justify their parents' antisemitism by explaining that the Jews are horrible people who deserve it. On and on it goes...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com