tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post4918348540936857148..comments2024-03-28T10:00:45.108-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : Managerial Leadership: Why the Civilized World is Throwing the War against TerrorismDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-5394624929174362452007-11-29T15:39:00.000-05:002007-11-29T15:39:00.000-05:00little correction: it was Ron Paul himself who mad...little correction: it was Ron Paul himself who made the comment about McCain not knowing the difference between isolation and non-interventionism.<BR/><BR/>Sheesh. I had no idea how really old and dessicated he looks!Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-51195099485958063212007-11-28T23:53:00.000-05:002007-11-28T23:53:00.000-05:00Interestingly, I just finished watching a re-cap o...Interestingly, I just finished watching a re-cap of tonight's GOP debate. Sen. John McCain mentioned Ron Paul's support of pulling out of Iraq. McCain said that sort of isolationism is what permitted Hitler to rise to power.<BR/><BR/>Another GOP candidate (can't recall who off hand) rebuffed McCain and said he didn't know the difference between non-interventionism and isolationism.<BR/><BR/>I must be stupid because I can't see the different between the two either.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-88485168367610730762007-11-28T18:11:00.000-05:002007-11-28T18:11:00.000-05:00in many cases the DP camps had german guards put b...in many cases the DP camps had german guards put back in charge<BR/><BR/>massive mismanagement and corruption and the devastation in the aftermath of the war insured that there was a thriving black market in food and other goods<BR/><BR/>the question of what was to be done with the Jews was itself at issue, many of them were from Eastern Europe which meant they would be sent back and it would be a race between being murdered by the local population in Poland and elsewhere or get to live under Communism and possibly get sent to a prison camp all over again<BR/><BR/>as far as the American authorities were concerned, the Jews were Polish nationals, Ukrainian nationals, etc<BR/><BR/>the British were obsessed with making sure none of those Jews made it to Israel<BR/><BR/>the Russians wanted them under their control<BR/><BR/>Top that off with the fact that a whole lot of people in the US government, beginning with Truman didn't like Jews, it was bad<BR/><BR/>But with FDR dead, Truman lacked the adoration of Jewish liberals that let FDR do anything he liked and so he made concessions, though his privately railed against the "Pushy Jews" who were being brought to America (but then again this was a Klansman and a guy whose wife refused to let Jews in the house, ala Hillary Clinton)<BR/><BR/>but the bottom line was that even after the war a lot more people in the military and especially the diplomats like Germans a whole lot more than they liked Jews<BR/><BR/>but then again those same people also let the Japanese officers who were responsible for the murder and cannibalism of American officers walk free<BR/><BR/>so treason and perfidy are nothing newDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-81553292296156374662007-11-28T18:05:00.000-05:002007-11-28T18:05:00.000-05:00there were a number of german groups, most promine...there were a number of german groups, most prominently the german american bund which were openly pro-nazi in americaDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-86618264529886562962007-11-28T17:05:00.000-05:002007-11-28T17:05:00.000-05:00I think everyone was in a state of shock after the...I think everyone was in a state of shock after the war. The military were worn out beyond reason. US guys served in Europe til as late as 47.. an awful burden.<BR/><BR/>Jews were warned to leave Germany but could not fathom that anything awful would do done to them. I think the rest of the world could not fathom it either. Germany was a civilized nation and not barbarians . It took the world a bit to process the horror.<BR/><BR/>Imagine the logistics of running a war, supplying for troops, massive injuries and death, and now you also have to deal with the horror you find. Millions were displaced, lost everything , entire cities in ruin, etc.<BR/>I think it would be an almost impossible job to get it all straight.<BR/>I mean, look how hard it is for New Orleans to get cleaned up etc and we are talking an entire continent and them some.<BR/>The US was strained to the limit with troops and wounded in Europe, Africa, and the Pacific.Chana @ Lemon Lime Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11656854855385193867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-25632235668528076372007-11-28T16:32:00.000-05:002007-11-28T16:32:00.000-05:00I also read that at one of the DP camps Jews were ...I also read that at one of the DP camps Jews were nearly starved to death until a newspaper editor brought it to light and had supplies shipped to them, food and warm clothing.<BR/><BR/>The US liberated them...only to let them starve and freeze to death...Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-47387506600565153102007-11-28T16:29:00.000-05:002007-11-28T16:29:00.000-05:00Bastards all of them. (Very, very OT again but...I...Bastards all of them. <BR/><BR/>(Very, very OT again but...I was researching info for something I just posted and it briefly alludes to a nazi swastika briefly flying for a single day at the TB hospital in Perrysburg, NY, which I believe is in the Adironacks.<BR/><BR/>Some of the physicians were German, Bavarian, Swiss (from Davos). Could they have been pro-Nazi? Pro-Nazi Germans in upstate NY at the time? I can only speculate and hope they were not, but my gut instinct tells me they may have been.<BR/><BR/>Still, the mere thought is sickening that such people could seek to heal and harbor such hatred, and in the US.)Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-69308629028240621132007-11-28T16:04:00.000-05:002007-11-28T16:04:00.000-05:00DeGaulle or Churchill I believed pushed for North ...DeGaulle or Churchill I believed pushed for North Africa, it's understandable because Normandy was a huge step and lots of mistakes were made even there<BR/><BR/>effectively the US was invading a continent<BR/><BR/>North Africa also meant expanded naval bases available to the allies, where before it was just England, Scotland and Northern Ireland<BR/><BR/>The US had a heavily isolationist stream, you had an anti-war movement on the left and the right that was more powerful than even today backed by top figures like Henry Ford and Lindbergh on the right and the Communists and socialists on the left<BR/><BR/>As for Jews, no one much cared. Anti-semitism was far more common back then, the Jewish leadership were secularized Reform Jews and wanted to assimilate most of all and FDR and Truman openly despised if not outright hated Jews<BR/><BR/>Considering how Jews were treated in Europe in the DP camps even after liberation, it's not exactly a shock that Jews were kept out<BR/><BR/>When a bill was introduced in congress to take in a few thousand Jewish children during the Holocaust, organizations like the DAR shouted it downDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-65777678695295803992007-11-28T14:06:00.000-05:002007-11-28T14:06:00.000-05:00Amen. They came back alive.And toda raba for the c...Amen. They came back alive.<BR/><BR/>And toda raba for the correction on North Africa :)<BR/><BR/>It seems there were virtually no places of refuge for European Jews.<BR/><BR/>Why didn't the US move heaven and earth to grant them assylum? And why didn't we as a matter of conscience enter the war before Pearl Harbor?<BR/><BR/>The US knew evidence shows even rejected the Frank family. That beautiful little girl and her family could have survived...<BR/><BR/>Not that she was more any more important than the other little Jews girls but to many who didn't have families that perished Ann Frank is the litle girl in the red dress so to speak. Well, through her diary and the movies about her last years she has become the little girl in the red dress symbolized in Schindler's List.<BR/><BR/><BR/>(sorry I went OT again).Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-91123062845140766652007-11-28T13:57:00.000-05:002007-11-28T13:57:00.000-05:00Politicians no longer see themselves as public ser...Politicians no longer see themselves as public servants in the way police officers and firefighters are. Politics and political organizations resemble quasi-organized crime "families," sad to say.<BR/><BR/>Too many favors exchanged back and forth, and bones thrown to the public to pacify them, us.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-65877154946159443132007-11-28T13:38:00.000-05:002007-11-28T13:38:00.000-05:00It seems leadership is a thing of the past. Popula...It seems leadership is a thing of the past. Popularity and polls run things now and politicians do not want to be unpopular in the world.<BR/><BR/><BR/>[France was occupied, so it was not that simple. My Uncle served in North Africa and then into France and into Germany. North Africa was a hot bed of nazis and could not be ignored.<BR/>Another good friend was at Anzio and another served in the South Pacific. I have heard their stories .Thankfully they came back to tell them too!]Chana @ Lemon Lime Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11656854855385193867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-6386624636207689442007-11-28T12:30:00.000-05:002007-11-28T12:30:00.000-05:00Wonderful, wonderful article! Excellent analysis o...Wonderful, wonderful article! Excellent analysis of the differences between leaders and managers. G-d bring the world more leaders and less self-serving, cowardly managers.<BR/><BR/>Slightly OT but I was watching the movie The War a few weeks ago. Something stuck out in my mind. Once the US decided to get involved in WW II, a military leader suggested that the most efficacious approach would have been to invade Germany by simply going through France.<BR/><BR/>For some reason I can't recall, that advice was rejected and the US went through North Africa instead and other backdoor approaches rather than the most simple--France.<BR/><BR/>It just seemed like the military advisors tried to make the war much more complicated than it had to be.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.com