tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post3598851446909973061..comments2024-03-28T17:49:27.846-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : Why You Should Vote for John McCainDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-44060541354265355202008-02-17T16:40:00.000-05:002008-02-17T16:40:00.000-05:00Conservative 'values' are not conservative anymore...Conservative 'values' are not conservative anymore.<BR/>McCain will hurt America, just not as quickly as Obama or Hillary.<BR/> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR/><BR/>I do not think Bush is anti Israel at all. He just does not base his views on tanakh(bible)He is a secular man looking for secular solutions but then so is Olmert and the Knesset.Chana @ Lemon Lime Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11656854855385193867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-25804314674434530852008-02-17T16:30:00.000-05:002008-02-17T16:30:00.000-05:00Yob, until 2005 I really didn't pay much attention...Yob, until 2005 I really didn't pay much attention to Israeli politics. As for Bush, while he was running for president I assumed as most other conservatives did, that he was Pro-Israeli.<BR/><BR/>The only voice of dissent I heard was in a chat room, and even then it was only one person speaking up to say Bush was not Pro-Israeli.<BR/><BR/>I think a lot of Republicans assume the Conservative party is pro-Israel, largely because of its Christian Zionist/Evangelical factions.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-21835989104102693092008-02-16T22:08:00.000-05:002008-02-16T22:08:00.000-05:00I have a question for Conservatives who claim that...I have a question for Conservatives who claim that there is something honorable about not voting for McCain. Who spend more of their time beating down a fellow Republican, while ignoring the extreme liberal forces that are about to kick their butts completely out of every branch of government. <BR/><BR/>This is not just about who will be President for 4 years. There is a movement afoot to wipe conservative thought completely from all aspects of public life.... While conservatives sit home and complain. <BR/><BR/>You'll trade 50% of McCains ear for zip out of the liberal who is convinced any kind of conservative thought is archaic. Great strategy! <BR/><BR/>What is honorable about sitting on your butt at home, refusing to vote – allowing all branches of government to be swarmed by RABIDLY liberal opponents who have vowed to undo everything conservatives have fought to achieve over the past decade?<BR/><BR/>I hear endless whining and griping from Conservatives – while the extreme liberals, who are bent on reversing every conservative principal – out number us at the polls nearly two to one. Is that principal or is that do conservatives just have a death wish to see our country turn to the extreme left (who has no problem getting their hind ends to the polls)..<BR/><BR/>What is so conservative about beating down the (soon to be) nominee who supports our troops, instead of the extreme liberals who insult our troops and degrade them every single day in front of the entire world?<BR/><BR/>By punishing John McCain for not being conservative enough – you are really punishing all conservatives by making absolutely sure they will be governed by radical, rabid liberalism for the next 4 to 8 years.<BR/><BR/>By stomping your feet and refusing to help, you in turn assure that the laws of the land will have few conservatives in a position of power to stop a runaway liberal train that will further infiltrate our school, explode your tax burden and socialize every part of your life it can.<BR/><BR/>If you must be dragged to the polls, then don’t bother complaining when our courts are swarmed by the liberals who will put judges in power. <BR/><BR/>Please think twice before punishing the rest of us conservatives, who may not love McCain, but are smart enough to realize the living nightmare that will ensue, if things continue on the path they are going. <BR/><BR/>I see nothing conservative about being so focused on the anthill, you completely ignore the volcano that’s about to wipe your entire cause out. That is not principal. That’s political suicide. Will conservatives ever learn?.<BR/><BR/>Danny Vice<BR/>http://thalunatic.blogspot.com<BR/>http://weeklyvice.blogspot.comDanny Vicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15673607931919895783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-78988817042750207932008-02-14T19:10:00.000-05:002008-02-14T19:10:00.000-05:00I was just reading the article from Steve's link. ...I was just reading the article from Steve's link. <BR/><BR/>I find it amazing that no one questions why the muzlim's mother purposefully married muzlims. If she was actually an x-tian, they would have been the last pile of crap she would have ever considered marrying. Which goes back to solid reason to distrust muzlims entire background.Yobeeonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067866336964665242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-37041786094482241912008-02-14T12:27:00.000-05:002008-02-14T12:27:00.000-05:00the current Israel defense establishment was recre...the current Israel defense establishment was recreated by Sharon and answers to Olmert. It is left wing and before it was left wing, it was socialist. The American defense establishment may have right wingers but in the Israeli one, careerist moderates are the best you can get. If you don't believe me, take a look at where these people go after they go into politics.<BR/><BR/>as for Bruce, that's the problem with being a client state, you do wind up saluting and falling into line. Israel's dependency on America is the heart of the problem, the dependency is actually much lighter than most Americans or Israelis think, but the psychology is there.<BR/><BR/>As for the military, the protocols used to be required reading back before WW2. Enough said. Patton was just the most obvious, Marshall was just as bad but less obvious.<BR/><BR/>I don't "accept" this behavior, I'm dealing with the reality of the situation and picking the best outcome of a number of bad outcomes.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-53413455403621281472008-02-14T12:18:00.000-05:002008-02-14T12:18:00.000-05:00Sultan, you have an ally; and a powerful one. I g...Sultan, you have an ally; and a powerful one. I greatly respect this woman and her courage:<BR/><BR/>http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=1012steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-75705048335535968372008-02-14T12:09:00.000-05:002008-02-14T12:09:00.000-05:00I am not saying Obama will be good for Israel. No...I am not saying Obama will be good for Israel. No American president has been good for Israel; some more blatantly anti-Israel than others. <BR/><BR/>Carter had to be amongst the worse. Bush, though a smooth talker, has been a disaster. I could be wrong, my guess is the Israelis who will like Obama will predominantly be on the left of the political spectrum. My guess is, there will be less Israelis in the defense establishment who will like or trust Obama than have trusted Bush and later, McCain. <BR/><BR/>Let's face it, Republicans "generally" have a well-deserved reputation being strong on national security compared to Democrats. But that is American security; not Israel's security.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you are right. Maybe I should not call McCain and enemy of Israel just yet. <BR/><BR/>Things stick in my mind. I will never forget this local caller, Bruce, on our central Fla. talk radio station. I believe it was just after 9/11 when Bush pledged to establish a Palestinian state and Sharon was not fully cooperating; he made his Czechoslovakia comparison. Anyway, there was a lot of bloody terrorism around this period. <BR/><BR/>Bruce is a military guy with a deep, gruff voice. Bruce calls in and says something to the effect that Sharon needed to salute Bush and fall into line. <BR/><BR/>I called in telling the host Bruce is an anti-Semite. The host -- who is a friend of Bruce's -- denied it, but truth is truth. I remember McCain saying something similar a few years back on television. I don't forget these things. When ever I hear an American official, in a patronizing manner, scold Israel about what is in the Jews' best interests -- with the implied threat that is behind it -- my blood boils.<BR/><BR/>I see this bullying / patronizing tendency in Bush, in Powell, Rice and McCain. I see military people do this, especially in the higher ranks. There has been much anti-Semitism over the decades in the officer corps. I am sure you are aware. General George Patton was a vicious Jew-hater as were many of his friends in the officer corps.<BR/><BR/>If you can accept this behavior from public officials, given that Israel is on the front lines in the battle against the global jihad, then you and I are very different. I will not accept this sort of paternalism, patronizing, whatever you call it. I don't care who it is.steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-59857109849117978192008-02-14T09:54:00.000-05:002008-02-14T09:54:00.000-05:00Steve, Some Israelis distrust Bush, others like hi...Steve, <BR/><BR/>Some Israelis distrust Bush, others like him. Plenty of Israelis will love Obama too, just like they loved Clinton and media propaganda in America and Israel favors appeasers and liberals.<BR/><BR/>Calling McCain an enemy of Israel is a statement with little basis. McCain's positions on Israel are not different than that of any other president. <BR/><BR/>Obama by contrast is the equivalent of electing Hamas to the White House. There is no middle ground here.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-74928669988024008052008-02-14T08:54:00.000-05:002008-02-14T08:54:00.000-05:00Keli, what you said the muzlim would do is what bu...Keli, what you said the muzlim would do is what bush is already doing. the muzlim would take it to the level bush had hoped for and possibly beyond.<BR/><BR/>I've seen and read the newspaper clippings from bush's early years, he's accomplishing his plan with no resistance from anyone, which would open the doors for the muzlim to complete the task.Yobeeonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067866336964665242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-53566168631883636642008-02-14T04:44:00.000-05:002008-02-14T04:44:00.000-05:00Keli Ata said... And I can totally see Obama and h...Keli Ata said... And I can totally see Obama and his band of liberals deciding to "improve" the image of the US in the Arab world by turning on Israel and schmoozing with Muslim nations.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you on Bush--a total turncoat."<BR/><BR/>The problem is, Israelis do not agree with me on Bush. They see him as the best friend ever when in fact he is an outright enemy. Maybe it is better to have a known enemy like Obama in the White House. Why should we fool ourselves? When I go to vote next November, should our 2008 national party platform call for Israel to give up Judea, Samaria and east Jerusalem, for the establishment of a Palestinian-killer state, why should I vote for an enemy like McCain, only to have Israelis think they have another friend in the White House? <BR/><BR/>It's better to have a known enemy than a friend. King Solomon wrote, "deceitful are the kisses of an enemy." This is George W. Bush and John McCain.steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-26988201883212024242008-02-13T22:36:00.000-05:002008-02-13T22:36:00.000-05:00I understand what you're saying Steve, really I do...I understand what you're saying Steve, really I do, but the bottom line is whether we abstain on election day or not someone will end up in the White House for four years.<BR/><BR/>All things considered I view Obama as the ultimate threat. BTW as an aside, I'm not too thrilled with the sincerity of his distancing himself from a Nation of Islam employee on his campaign.<BR/><BR/>And I can totally see Obama and his band of liberals deciding to "improve" the image of the US in the Arab world by turning on Israel and schmoozing with Muslim nations.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you on Bush--a total turncoat.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-61671403163325736222008-02-13T19:42:00.000-05:002008-02-13T19:42:00.000-05:00with a President Obama, Israel would have to fight...with a President Obama, Israel would have to fight its way through the US air force to get to Iran's reactor, all the while his administration would be busy providing nuclear technology to IranDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-45864711616875661872008-02-13T18:53:00.000-05:002008-02-13T18:53:00.000-05:00One thing John Bolton made clear at the Herzliya C...One thing John Bolton made clear at the Herzliya Conference, if Israel does not take out Iran's nuclear capability, Iran will get the bomb. <BR/><BR/>Israel keeps hoping against hope, waiting on Bush to save her from a nascent nuclear Iran. Same will hold true with McCain. <BR/><BR/>Is there any question where Israel will stand with a President Obama? Obama wants intimate heart to heart parleys with Tehran.<BR/><BR/>Will the Jews ever learn Sultan? Will we?steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-33430437398025867872008-02-13T18:35:00.000-05:002008-02-13T18:35:00.000-05:00I don't see that McCain has it in for the Jews, I ...I don't see that McCain has it in for the Jews, I do see that Obama as the likely nominee is a terrorist supporter with a Muslim background backed by the far left wing of the Democratic party<BR/><BR/>I don't doubt that McCain will pressure Israel to make concessions but that's candy and flowers compared to what an Edward Said fan like Obama would do with the PresidencyDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-4211068214127231032008-02-13T16:50:00.000-05:002008-02-13T16:50:00.000-05:00Keli Ata said... As a good nurse I employee triage...Keli Ata said... As a good nurse I employee triage in the voting booth...McCain it is. I'm not a supporter but he'll inflict the least amount of damage compared to the other candidates."<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>I'm not so sure that he will inflict the least amount of damage. My primary concern is Israel. How can we say McCain will inflict the least amount of damage to Israel? McCain appears to have it in for the Jews.steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-39440275164697645572008-02-13T16:19:00.000-05:002008-02-13T16:19:00.000-05:00My view of G. W. Bush is that he lacks moral coura...My view of G. W. Bush is that he lacks moral courage. He is not a strong moral leader or a statesman. <BR/><BR/>If he has moral convictions, they soon evaporated early on into his first term.<BR/><BR/>His first test came within weeks of his swearing in when an American spy plane flying over international water was downed by the Chinese. At the time, I thought his handling of that standoff was less than stellar. The Chinese demanded an American apology and an admission of guilt. They got a carefully couched apology of sorts. Then I watched this president condemn and scold Israel after each and every bloody suicide bombing prior to the September 11, 2001 atrocities. <BR/><BR/>I remember Arie Fleischer (Bush's court Jew) day after weary day urging restraint on Israel's part. Bush's Secretary of State and his State Department accused Israel of "excessive and disproportional" responses to bloody terror. Bush was troubled when Sharon responded by bombing empty PA buidings.<BR/><BR/>It was then, I realized we had a real live mouse from Texas in the White House. Was it LBJ that told Abba Eban, "I'm a lion. I'm not a mouse from Texas." (?)<BR/><BR/>I'm listening to Richard Clark's "Against All Enemies," on audio. Clark indicated Bush appeared less than reassuring to him on the day Islam visited American soil as it has done so often to the Jews in Israel. I will never forgive Bush for his callousness and his cowardice in the face of an implacable enemy to this nation.<BR/><BR/>Palestinians are part and parcel of the global jihad -- they are America's enemies -- yet Bush has done nothing but appease them.steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-66753230894734292492008-02-13T16:11:00.000-05:002008-02-13T16:11:00.000-05:00with obama looking like the democratic nominee, th...with obama looking like the democratic nominee, the alternative to mccain is the worst nightmare in American history<BR/><BR/>a man who makes Carter look like Ronald ReaganDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-46431193695875725922008-02-13T15:55:00.000-05:002008-02-13T15:55:00.000-05:00Great article, Sultan. And toah for using the magi...Great article, Sultan. And toah for using the magic word--triage--that woke me up from my dreams of sitting the election out.<BR/><BR/>As a good nurse I employee triage in the voting booth :)<BR/><BR/>McCain it is. I'm not a supporter but he'll inflict the least amount of damage compared to the other candidates.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-76128204856324348112008-02-13T15:44:00.000-05:002008-02-13T15:44:00.000-05:00regardless of where the buck stops your average pr...regardless of where the buck stops your average president is a regional governor who gets his information about the world from his advisors and gets policy advice and reports from the CIA and the State Department<BR/><BR/>regardless of who to hold responsible, that is how the system works and it works against us because those reports invariably blame israel and suggest that the middle east could be stabilized by bringing peace etcDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-37105119446042826132008-02-13T15:16:00.000-05:002008-02-13T15:16:00.000-05:00"In the end though it's the career bureaucrats in ..."In the end though it's the career bureaucrats in the State Department and the CIA and the lobbyists for big companies who set US policy and they remain the same no matter who's in charge at the top."<BR/><BR/>Many remain and many / most / if not all are anti-Israel / pro-Arab. This is where you and I fundamentally disagree. <BR/><BR/>President George W. Bush is setting policy as Chief Executive. Everything I have read so far indicates he is a hands-on administrator and Commander in Chief. I subscribe to President Harry Truman's adage. "The buck stops here (in the Oval Office)."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Wed., February 13, 2008 Adar1 7, 5768<BR/><BR/>U.S. Secretary Rice plans March visit to Israel, Palestinian Authority <BR/> <BR/>By Reuters <BR/><BR/>U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Wednesday she planned to visit Israel and the Palestinian Authority early next month to help both sides narrow their differences in Palestinian statehood talks. <BR/><BR/>The administration headed by U.S. President George W. Bush is trying to get both Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a peace deal before Bush leaves office in January 2009.....steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-55840708099410137562008-02-13T15:02:00.000-05:002008-02-13T15:02:00.000-05:00is feedback like backwash?is feedback like backwash?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-37200735949754415012008-02-13T13:32:00.001-05:002008-02-13T13:32:00.001-05:00Sharon was a complicated figure, there was Sharon ...Sharon was a complicated figure, there was Sharon the career soldier and there was Sharon the shameless careerist and it was not always possible to know which Sharon was speaking at a given time<BR/><BR/>as for what can be expected from republicans, what do you think Reagan did in Lebanon or Eisenhower in Suez or Bush Sr in Madrid? <BR/><BR/>The difference is scale and ruthlessness. Democrats used to be friendlier toward Israel back when they depended on the Jewish vote and before they went too far left wing. Carter broke the mold with open hostility toward Israel and lost reelection. Clinton learned from him and played a double game.<BR/><BR/>In the end though it's the career bureaucrats in the State Department and the CIA and the lobbyists for big companies who set US policy and they remain the same no matter who's in charge at the top. I give Bush credit for not listening to them for four years. Then he proceeded to fire his closest advisers, elevated Condoleeza Rice and began leaning on Israel in hopes of repairing what went wrong in Iraq and that I damn him for.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-13177856834414575492008-02-13T13:32:00.000-05:002008-02-13T13:32:00.000-05:00What does it tell you about him? The root word in ...What does it tell you about him? The root word in the name etymology means handsome and good looking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-17134001458346483952008-02-13T12:56:00.000-05:002008-02-13T12:56:00.000-05:00Town Crier.. at least John Sidney and Hillary Dian...Town Crier.. at least John Sidney and Hillary Diane are normal names.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-17295162741813243472008-02-13T12:43:00.000-05:002008-02-13T12:43:00.000-05:00"unilateral disengagement was not in the road map,..."unilateral disengagement was not in the road map, it was Sharon's own attempt to turn the situation around and create a palestinian state on his own terms"<BR/><BR/><BR/>That is all I am saying. I am not excusing Sharon. Sharon failed. He capitulated. Sharon obviously had great moral courage on the battle field, yet we know, with little to no faith in God, most Israeli prime ministers see their position vis-a-vis a giant like America, as virtually hopeless. Seems to me, one thing our prophets make clear, the nations are nothing in the eyes of the Almighty. But we Jews fear the nations. We are still in the ghetto, cajoling, compromising, negotiating for our existence. Paul Johnson in his chapter "Holocaust" wrote: "Their history, their theology (here I am guessing he is speaking of post exile), their folklore, the social structure, even their vocabulary trained them to negotiate, to pay, to plead, to protest, not to fight." With Hitler, there was no negotiating. I submit to you Sultan, nothing has changed. The nations (including this one) want to destroy the Jews. I don't trust Bush. I do not trust any of these leaders. They are all guided by self-interest. The Jews are in the way, so the Jews are expendable. <BR/><BR/><BR/>"considering what is now going on in Egypt, he may have even had a larger plan to dump the whole thing in Egypt's lap, we'll never know."<BR/><BR/>I am not so sure Sharon was this far-seeing. In his autobiography, "Warrior" Sharon indicated Gaza, Judea, Samaria and the Golan were all strategically vital. It was Sharon who pushed for settlements as a buffer and a barrier against invading armies. Sharon envisioned the settlement of Gaza. Ultimately I believe Israel is now in a weaker position. Egypt is an enemy. Egypt now has an ally in Gaza as well as strategic territory to launch a future invasion. Egypt is helping Hamas arm to the teeth. Then we have Hezbollah re-armed in the north with longer-range rockets and Olmert is negotiating the division of Jerusalem and a Palestinian state in the "West Bank." It seems to me -- and I am no military expert -- this does not bode well for Israel's security.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"there's no doubt that the drive to force israel to create a palestinian state helped shape sharon's intentions, but that drive originated with Clinton, Bush is simply the carrier of it"<BR/><BR/><BR/>I have said this many times, I expect this from leftists like Clinton. I do not expect this from conservative Republicans. Maybe I am expecting too much from conservatives. One of the biggest failures of my party, conservative activists, conservative radio talk show hosts, etc., is the absolute silence on this great moral evil. In a way, I feel like we are pre-Holocaust all over again. Silence. Historians I believe judge accordingly. Should these policies result in the kind of territorial compromise this administration envisions, we could conceivably see a terrible war with enormous Jewish casualties.<BR/><BR/>Everyone is asleep in Israel but for one or two. They are all boarding the cattle cars on the way to the death camps. <BR/><BR/>We Jews never learn from history.steve kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01909283816016502418noreply@blogger.com