tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post3221130805892978506..comments2024-03-28T13:47:08.047-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : Jared Loughner and the Culture of IrresponsibilityDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-21269911761316131992011-01-13T22:28:47.252-05:002011-01-13T22:28:47.252-05:00Thank you for the offer, it's not the technica...Thank you for the offer, it's not the technical side so much. Recording just requires a microphone, and then using whatever embeds audiofiles on a blog...<br /><br />they would go into the friday roundup I suppose, as the blog does a daily article format<br /><br />but speaking itself is more time consuming than writing<br /><br />if I just had to read these sentences out loud, it would take me much longer than typing them<br /><br />scale that up to a 4 page article and it's serious time expended<br /><br />and I'm not sure how many people are really that interested. I may try to do an article one of these days thoughDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-65000881646232433682011-01-13T22:17:24.625-05:002011-01-13T22:17:24.625-05:00Daniel, of course you'd type & blog as usu...Daniel, of course you'd type & blog as usual. <br />To upload reading some out loud, is very time consuming? <br />Perhaps there is a more efficient means than what you know.<br />Sometimes you are funny.<br />Techies are the latest great invention.<br />I have 2 friends who could set you up to do this with the least amount of effort on your part. I'm in the wilderness out here, and you live in New York. That is "techie central", by comparison. <br /><br />I guess your written articles will have to suffice, for quite a while.<br /> ;-)<br />unless you want me to loan you a 21 yr-old kid who can do anything....2sloehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687684487054065583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-91513455015919843592011-01-13T17:56:11.499-05:002011-01-13T17:56:11.499-05:002sloe,
I could try to record an article, but peop...2sloe,<br /><br />I could try to record an article, but people seem to do podcasts less these days and it's much more time consuming than typing one up.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-57379752858175088212011-01-13T17:55:18.319-05:002011-01-13T17:55:18.319-05:00K.A. It's a tragedy either way, but shootings ...K.A. It's a tragedy either way, but shootings have happened before. Worse ones too. <br /><br />And yes too many people try to make sense of evil.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-62935251437063693412011-01-13T16:45:17.993-05:002011-01-13T16:45:17.993-05:00Daniel,
I'm not sure which fox show Morris app...Daniel,<br />I'm not sure which fox show Morris appeared on, it might've aired before 7pm. I wasn't even watching the tv. Only hearing him say your exact words caught my attention.<br />Stating your last name slightly incorrect on the air may have been a deflective kindness, his article being accurate. He gave enough identity on tv to trace you as the author, but not enough for you to become villified. <br />The following day I read sharp criticism online about his opinion.<br /><br />I disagree that the article is "better anyway"!: It was a few moments of Media Heaven, to so unexpectedly hear your exact words floating into the room FROM TV. <br />:-]<br /><br />If you keep hiding out, it's only a matter of time until people start quoting the phantom author who has never actually been spotted in real life.<br /><br />Here's a prod: There are basic principles about teaching and learning. Even the Lord did not stop at having Words written for people, but instructed that things be read out loud. This is needed to more thoroughly learn, providing that one has ears.<br /> ~Selah~<br />I'm just saying, you could consider adding a more thorough-sensory format to what you do. The internet has many options.<br />You wouldn't have to do every article. <br />Keep the turban. It probably does throw people off.<br /><br />Don't count on my forgetting to nag you every once in a while about this.<br /><br />(PS, I have a friend who is losing their sight. You could speak on video, with just that turban photo appearing, but at least people could hear the articles.)<br /><br />Be Blessed.<br />The End.2sloehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687684487054065583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-43094894179641071712011-01-13T11:55:11.698-05:002011-01-13T11:55:11.698-05:00I am ashamed to admit that I haven't given the...I am ashamed to admit that I haven't given the tragedy in Arizona too much thought. One reason is that the media, at least the Jewish media and many blogs, have focued primarily on whether Giffords was really Jewish.<br /><br />Many people find that significant. Jew or gentile it was a horrible tragedy.<br /><br />Another reason, with the exception of your bog much of the media seem focued on Sarah Palin for somehow provoking the attack. The rationale behind this appears ridiculous. The whole controversy reminds me of something I read a while back when a fake copy of a book supposedly written by the "real" Jack the Ripper was discovered about a decade ago.<br /><br />It was a sham, a con artist trying to dupe the public into thinking a man named Jack Maybrick was the ripper. In this book, Maybrick is quoted as saying that his cheating wife instilled so much anger towards women that he took his anger out by killing women.<br /><br />At the end of the book the ripper claims, "This is what happens to a gentle man." An FBI profiler argued that nothing would motivate an average, gentle man to turn into a serial killer.<br /><br />Bad and long analogy but it the media and the whole controvery over Palin seems as insane as the arguement made about the claims of this proven fake Jack the Ripper.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-65625220741440532422011-01-13T11:45:37.435-05:002011-01-13T11:45:37.435-05:00Congratulations on having your brilliant writing g...Congratulations on having your brilliant writing getting the recognition it (YOU) deserve. Though I must say it doesn't surprise me:)Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-23937544814431583252011-01-12T23:11:04.521-05:002011-01-12T23:11:04.521-05:00Good. Not so sure I can find the video. Only a Mor...Good. Not so sure I can find the video. Only a Morris appearance on O'Reilly comes up. But the article is better anyway.<br /><br />People power is more reliable than police power anyway. With police power what we got is Kitty GenoveseDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-59625694680711068382011-01-11T14:50:44.704-05:002011-01-11T14:50:44.704-05:00Thank you for stating facts we do not take the tim...Thank you for stating facts we do not take the time to research, for putting into words the concepts we think only in the abstract, for writing plainly -- and for being noticed! It is appreciated.Phyllis Blickensderferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03206757687699759551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-47625056387748631322011-01-11T06:39:29.978-05:002011-01-11T06:39:29.978-05:00Daniel,
yes, he did get the "Green" par...Daniel, <br />yes, he did get the "Green" part in there. Fox guests are tightly limited as to allocated time. Morris was real focused on articulating the quote well & staying on point. Your name was obviously being retrieved by memory, thus he prefaced it with "I think.." which didn't seem to match his preference for specificity.<br /><br />I'm pretty sure it aired during the Hannity 7-8pm (pacific) time slot.<br /><br />Good deal, your locating it on Morris's blog, and that the name is correct there. <br /><br />I imagine your blue turban serves a purpose, but perhaps it could be ditched, at times, in favor of 3 Senior body guards. After all, there were 3 of them (1 granny & 2 grandpas. lol), plus 1 younger man, who disarmed and subdued the shooter.<br /> <br />Quite the mental picture: a 74 yr old man grabbing the shooters' left arm & shoving him forward on the ground in a choke-hold, whilst another man he described as "every bit as old as I am" twisted the right arm and kneed his back into the ground... a 61 yr-old woman getting the bullet clips away from him so he couldn't reload, then sitting on his ankles to keep his legs pinned down.<br /><br />I'm feeling much better about being on AARP's auto-mailing list today.<br /><br />;-)2sloehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687684487054065583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-35433930823853190542011-01-11T04:43:21.217-05:002011-01-11T04:43:21.217-05:00Hip Hip Hooray for Daniel getting quoted by Dick M...Hip Hip Hooray for Daniel getting quoted by Dick Morris!HermitLionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01955642756387705257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-79773151449342106562011-01-11T01:08:45.404-05:002011-01-11T01:08:45.404-05:00The weird thing about Oswald is not that the "...The weird thing about Oswald is not that the "left" propped him up as an innocent victim of a conspiracy, but that the "right" was so quiet about his background as a communist and a defector. You would think that Oswald's background and the fact that he had assassinated a president might have been the foundations of a relentless storm of accusations and political advances based on what could only have been a conspiracy with its roots in the Soviet Union itself.<br /><br />But nobody spoke up. Not even the fringe right had anything to say about it. The best they could muster were feeble denouncements against accusations that there was a conspiracy associated with the assassination. Not only that but JFK came to be associated more and more with the "left". If the assassination were a left wing conspiracy -- "liberals", say -- why would they assassinate one of their own?<br /><br />Organized crime had JFK assassinated just as organized crime put JFK in. Oswald was nowhere near a rifle when JFK was shot. And we are seeing this kind of power in organized crime again. Look at all the "medical marijuana" dispensaries. Look at what is going on in Mexico and see the increasing influence of Mexicans on both the left and the right.<br /><br />The one thing that assassins exhibit here in the US that they all have in common is that they are irresponsible. They don't think very hard and are more interested in a show than they are consequences. Oswald didn't assassinate JFK, but the chemistry was there and anyone could have seen that. Oswald was what he said he was, a patsy.<br /><br />Loughner is a derelict. I think Griffith bears some responsibility in this incident by carelessly exposing herself, a high elected official, in the name of keeping in touch with the public, also known as public relations.<br /><br />Presidents don't ride around in open top limosines any more either.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13265154565691102783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-65387862901003302972011-01-11T00:52:19.523-05:002011-01-11T00:52:19.523-05:00it shows up on his blog and the name is right
htt...it shows up on his blog and the name is right<br /><br />http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/there-are-no-politics-in-murder/Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-83435104129332923302011-01-11T00:51:15.464-05:002011-01-11T00:51:15.464-05:00At least he got the green part in there. But that ...At least he got the green part in there. But that is pretty neat. Any idea on what show it was or what time?<br /><br />I remain a well kept secret by wearing a blue turban.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-22597722708933058692011-01-11T00:22:14.468-05:002011-01-11T00:22:14.468-05:00Daniel,
just in case you missed out:
Tonight (Mo...Daniel, <br />just in case you missed out:<br /> Tonight (Mon. Jan.10) on FOX, Dick Morris quoted some of (what I recognized as *definitely) YOUR blog statements... but he mistakenly used an incorrect last name for you -(said something like "I read some very interesting statements by a guy who writes a blog, I think it's Daniel Greenberg") then he quoted you regarding the media handling of muslim murderers/criminals vs any others.<br /> I had a mouthful of dinner at the time,, nearly choked on him getting your name wrong.<br />I blurted out to hubby "HEYyy, he's quoting THE KNISH! It's GreenFIELD, Dick Morris, Daniel GreenFIELD! not greenBERG!, oh my gosh, at least get his name right when you quote him."<br />Hubby lifted his eyebrows with slight smile.<br /><br />Seriously, DG, it is far past time for you to at least get your name correctly known! I mean, hey: DICK MORRIS IS READING YOU, quoting, and obviously intrigued by your truthful insights.<br /><br />Well, even if he didn't get you exactly right, it was a very pleasant surprise to hear your words floating out of cable tv space into our living room.<br /><br />I am still ducking my head in here to read. Had to back off a bit, as your articles are too good & it really 'gets to me' pretty deeply at times..<br /><br />I have no idea how you manage to remain such a well kept secret in the mainstream, but I suppose it's not all bad when Dick Morris gets your name half right. <br /> ;-)<br /><br />All my best to you & yours. Keep up the faithful work.2sloehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687684487054065583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-27122188734621306752011-01-10T23:02:15.858-05:002011-01-10T23:02:15.858-05:00Carey, I don't know that any level of responsi...Carey, I don't know that any level of responsibility is enough to stay on top of a lynch mob. Remember that when Limbaugh wanted to buy into an NFL team, false comments were manufactured and reported. Ditto for Palin during the campaign.<br /><br />Melissa, good point. I'm actually going to be addressing that in an article tomorrow evening.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-33277054797904771412011-01-10T22:38:32.875-05:002011-01-10T22:38:32.875-05:00I'm most troubled by the way that the left has...I'm most troubled by the way that the left has defined the direction of the argument. They accuse Sarah Palin and the Right of unduly influencing the weak willed and deranged with "hate speech", and on cue, much of the defensive Conservative world protests that this guy was not a Palin fan, and probably didn't even listen to Rush Limbaugh. But that implies an acceptance of the "culture of responsibility". What happens when an assassin claims he WAS insired by the Rush Limbaugh show, or a tweet by Palin?Melissanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-6657617412247735302011-01-10T20:10:37.941-05:002011-01-10T20:10:37.941-05:00I appreciate your predictably insightful take on t...I appreciate your predictably insightful take on this situation, Daniel, and I agree with your points about personal responsibility.<br />I don't thinkthe shooter's motives (if you can call them such in a insane mind) were directly influenced by Sarah's crosshairs.<br />Nevertheless, the impetuous lady from Alaska should take a lesson from her vicious lefty accusers: her level of responsibility in public communication must be of a higher order than that of most folks; the crosshairs trick is shown to be, after the fact, an ill-chosen image. In using it, she has unwittingly contributed to the culture of irresponsibility, because the malleable contortion of a deranged mind knows no right or left, but is watching desperately for a trigger from any source. It is precisely because of loonies like Jared Loughner that Sarah and other public personnae should be more careful.Carey Rowlandhttp://www.careyrowland.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-8785897252490757732011-01-10T17:02:14.899-05:002011-01-10T17:02:14.899-05:00Anonymous,
There is a literal Rabin-ization going...Anonymous,<br /><br />There is a literal Rabin-ization going on, as certain Jews have already compared between the two cases, even though Rabin was specifically targeted, and Gifford is still alive - not to mention far from being a suitable, high-ranking target for a political assassination.<br />How come everybody ignores the dead conservative judge? Is it because he's evil and obviously deserved to be murdered, or because it's impossible for a madman to kill someone that Liberals dislike, therefore he and the rest of the victims were never there?HermitLionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01955642756387705257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-12762228642065697542011-01-10T15:31:16.700-05:002011-01-10T15:31:16.700-05:00Wasn't he described as a "lefty pothead&q...Wasn't he described as a "lefty pothead" by some of his fellow students? What influence does Mr. Levine see there of Tea Party? Can it be that the pot growers and sellers are behind? Or maybe the stores who sell "The manifesto" which he read and loved? Steven Plaut said it the best: "The Rabin-ization" of this attempted murder, and he is not even a right wing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-59716051150385373422011-01-10T15:13:19.345-05:002011-01-10T15:13:19.345-05:00What connection exactly?
Politicians placed on ta...What connection exactly?<br /><br />Politicians placed on target lists in campaigns is not a new thing. The left wing site Daily Kos placed Gifford as a target as well.<br /><br />You're creating an entire narrative with no basis in fact spun out of political convenience alone. If you have evidence that the killer incorporated Palin's views and acted on them, the way that the Nazis did the Protocols, then feel free to present them. But otherwise you're making false accusations.<br /><br />The danger does not come from political speech, but those who seek to use pretexts like this to suppress it.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-7812581527073509072011-01-10T14:05:06.505-05:002011-01-10T14:05:06.505-05:00Daniel –
Having been greatly saddened, as we all ...Daniel –<br /><br />Having been greatly saddened, as we all are, by the events in Arizona, I read your article with interest when a link was sent my way. For what is worth, I’ve bothered to write a response:<br /><br />Palin puts what she herself called a ‘bulls-eye’ over the Congresswoman Giffords’ district and now she and her apologists want to break the connection? Or deny it ever existed? Such a coarse symbol with obvious violent overtones does not equate with J.D. Salinger’s ‘Catcher in the Rye’ as you suggest. Symbols like that are far more obvious and suggestive than a work of literature – good or not – both to the sane and insane. <br /><br />You decry our culture of irresponsibility. On that I agree wholeheartedly. But I’d apply the condemnation more broadly. It’s not an either or choice on responsibility as regards Loughner and whomever influenced him.<br /><br />Yes! The Russian propagandists who forged ‘The Elders of the Protocols of Zion’ ARE responsible for how Hitler used it, or its affect on an unstable Timothy McVeigh. That does not mean Hitler and McVeigh are absolved. Yes! Of course the Islamic radical imams ARE responsible for their incites to violence even if their followers are intellectually stunted and emotionally unstable. This does not mean the suicide bombers are absolved. The mentally ill are the best instruments through which manipulators can effect political violence without getting their hands dirty. <br /><br />While we can agree that Loughner is mentally ill, I disagree that how political discourse influences the weakest, most feeble minded in our society is a question solely within the purview of psychological professionals. It is a question we all must come to grips with because such sad, dangerous individuals do walk among us. They hear the same political babble, see the same violent images, and are subjected to the same overload of information we all have to contend with, yet are far less capable of analyzing it rationally.<br /><br />But I am most concerned by your labeling those who see the connection between violent imagery in political discourse (for example, the now infamous 'bulls-eye') and the Arizona tragedy “collaborators in Loughner's crime.” While I appreciate political argument, and flairs of rhetoric, this is akin to mere marketing, public relations, and propaganda. <br /><br />No, of course Palin didn’t want murder or an assassination. But she played with fire and others got burned. I don’t argue with her or anyone’s right to free speech and to manipulate the images of revolution and bloodshed for political purposes. But you can’t claim only the good that results from your efforts to influence the political landscape and disavow the bad. <br /><br />Again, I agree with your condemnation of the Culture of Irresponsibility in which we’re drowning. Freedom must be tempered with Responsibility. We are our brother’s keeper not only in the particulars, but in general. You drop a rock in a pond, you can claim you didn’t make the ripples. But you did.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br /><br />Alan LevineAlan Levinehttp://www.alanjlevine.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-21172109536199714762011-01-10T11:34:36.115-05:002011-01-10T11:34:36.115-05:00Further to my post about the UK media, depressingl...Further to my post about the UK media, depressingly there is a prominent article in the Jerusalem Post headlined "Analysis: Vitriolic rhetoric cited after Giffords shooting" with a picture of Sarah Palin pushing the same garbage:<br /><br />http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=202836Mark Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634542433903164227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-4570314976544849162011-01-10T10:08:21.348-05:002011-01-10T10:08:21.348-05:00Loughner is only 22, still too young I believe to ...Loughner is only 22, still too young I believe to be motivated by political ideologies of the day. He believed the government was "using grammer to control our minds". He's a "nutjob" plain and simple, and the left's attempt to turn this into a "political rhetoric" and "gun control" issue is laughable. Sarah Palin didn't do this, Glen Beck didn't do this, and Rush Limbaugh didn't do this, a mentally ill man who was suspended from college and denied entry into the US Army because of his irrational behavior did this. His name is Jarod Lee Loughner.noboat1http://cusewire.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-15107940435587915742011-01-10T09:05:17.584-05:002011-01-10T09:05:17.584-05:00You will be interested to know that the UK media h...You will be interested to know that the UK media has been saturated with innuendos claiming the Tea Party and Sarah Palin are to blame for these murders.Mark Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14634542433903164227noreply@blogger.com