tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post3121486054595897884..comments2024-03-29T00:24:13.128-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : The Muslim Hijacking of Ground ZeroDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-47319235741895027752010-08-14T02:26:21.125-04:002010-08-14T02:26:21.125-04:00When a society rushes at the cliff's edge whil...When a society rushes at the cliff's edge whilst scolding those that keep pointing out there's a cliff ahead, I guess it fully deserves the consequences.<br /><br />I relate this not just to the evil of Islam that's threatening civilisation and progress, but also to the gullible masses that believed they were electing the Messiah in 2008.<br /><br /><br />David, Thailanddeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545098224752936074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-54312938213084555872010-08-12T21:46:30.747-04:002010-08-12T21:46:30.747-04:00To a devout Muslim, where ever he puts his foot on...To a devout Muslim, where ever he puts his foot on it needs to be made subject to Islam. Time is of no significance, just the fact that they put their foot on a particular piece of real estate, i.e. country. Just watching Pamela Geller and the guy who supports a mosque to be build on Sean Hanity is very telling if any who object this to happen is considered equating Islam with terrorism. Even so they are not totaly wrong with it but don't want to admit that Islam is a threat to all that America values (minus the demoralization of this nation).Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11544628491059334030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-70620732384000681702010-08-10T22:08:57.303-04:002010-08-10T22:08:57.303-04:00I cannot understand and have a really hard time ac...I cannot understand and have a really hard time accepting that thousands of New Yorker's support the mosque at ground zero. What is wrong with them? Are they really so blind to the lies about Islam. Muslims must be laughing their heads off at all the stupid American's fighting their battle for them. <br /><br />It is as if these non-Muslims fighting FOR the mosque, think the 9/11 hijackers were an aberration. As if they weren't real Muslims. As if real Muslim's are misunderstood and peace-loving people. If only they'd be given a chance to show their goodness.<br /><br />Meanwhile to Muslims around the world, the hijackers were superhero's. Doing what most would have thought impossible. <br /><br />Is there any way someone could hand a copy of this article to Mayor Bloomberg? I just don't understand how he could be so damn ignorant. <br /><br />The mosque at ground zero is most certainly an attempt to hijack (and desecrate) the memory of the nearly 3000 people who died a horrible death on 9/11. <br /><br />There has to be a way for sanity to prevail. But it won't.Sara Cosletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05060454032497269812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-72796651150433896972010-08-10T19:00:44.455-04:002010-08-10T19:00:44.455-04:00Dee wrote: Outrageous? Well, is it as outrageous a...Dee wrote: Outrageous? Well, is it as outrageous as the coming reality of our yet unborn children reviling our memory as they choose between dhimmitude and turning to face Mecca 5 times daily?<br /><br />That indeed is what is facing us. We were given a legacy, a legacy of freedom from our fathers and grandfathers. We took it, and then handed it over to those whose intent and ideology is worse then Nazism.<br /> <br />Our children will curse the legacy that we are leaving them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-50739422683764605482010-08-09T22:28:44.700-04:002010-08-09T22:28:44.700-04:00I see the West given two simplified options, with ...I see the West given two simplified options, with half-measures equivalent to the first: <br /><br />1 - appease towards honourable capitulation, which is the logical choice of our current crop of spineless politicians armed with a pc fundamentalism that permits them to give away our future in order to demonstrate how tolerant they are;<br /><br />2 - set aside democratic values for long enough to confront Islam, and use its own values and principles to defeat it, which is precisely the strategy it has employed against civilisation and progress.<br /><br />A terrorist attack that kills 10, 50, 100, triggers the deletion of an Islamic town, village and city respectively. Do it once, twice, thrice, whilst shelving our own useless idiots to the stocks for public ridicule, and the cowardly ideology of Islam will retreat to the dunes from whence it came to lick its wounds.<br /><br />If the people want it, it can happen; if our leaders oppose it, we can find new leaders. <br /><br />Outrageous? Well, is it as outrageous as the coming reality of our yet unborn children reviling our memory as they choose between dhimmitude and turning to face Mecca 5 times daily?deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545098224752936074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-74856291824028711012010-08-09T17:18:20.568-04:002010-08-09T17:18:20.568-04:00Sultan Knish, excellent article. As a person origi...Sultan Knish, excellent article. As a person originally from the Indian subcontinent we know every word to be brutually true. Keep up the good work to all posters in this forum and expose this vile stain on humanity called Islam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-18316042352980882782010-08-09T16:15:21.868-04:002010-08-09T16:15:21.868-04:00I wonder whether anyone is currently advocating sp...I wonder whether anyone is currently advocating specific and pro-active ways of encouraging the Americanization of Muslims alredy in the US. <br /><br />It seems that most of what we hear falls under the category of defensive measures.<br /><br />I'm familiar with Pamela Geller's campaign to help US Muslim women under domestic threat. There must be other similar projects going on, I'm sure.<br /><br />We should aggressively support the small but significant number of Muslims who genuinely want to integrate. In spite of having been born in a Muslim family, they may not be inclined to practice or entirely convinced by Islam's doctrine. <br /><br />I'm talking about a long-term plan here.<br /><br />Perhaps out of a desire not to offend the orthodox majority we are neglecting a huge opportunity to strengthen the most secular strand of Islam. <br /><br />Put yourself in the place of a Muslim young person who wants to integrate and to live according to western values. What kind of support does he or she have from society? Very little. <br /><br />It's not only the young who are victims of strong religious and cultural restraints but grown up women and men too. They all socialize within their own cultural circle so the pressure on them to conform is enormous. <br /><br />At the risk of being politically incorrect, our society should encourage Muslim youth to embrace western values. If we truly believe our system is better, then we should promote it, without shame.<br /><br />Multiculturalism is very damaging to society. I say that as a Canadian, familiar with the results.<br /><br />~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br /><br />I can't miss this opportunity to call attention to ISRAEL's own failed opportunity. <br /><br />For the past decades they have abandoned generations of Arabs - including Israeli citizens - leaving them completely under the influence of hateful Islamic education. <br /><br />The Israeli government has shamefully allowed millions of Arab children to be indoctrinated and brainwashed by teachers, clerics and television. <br /><br />Thousands of future murderers of Jews have been nurtured thanks to Israel's own failure to intervene. <br /><br />It's not enough to shoot Arabs when they are on the rampage. Israel should have fought Arab hatemongering in the classroom and other media.Tracy Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00518463946300763941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-67598941014093369792010-08-09T14:32:46.618-04:002010-08-09T14:32:46.618-04:00I just read this on Artuz Sheva. A small town in G...I just read this on Artuz Sheva. A small town in Germany has shut down a mosque once used by 9/11 terrorists.<br /><br />Surprising and yet no surprising. If any country would know about where extremism leads it would be Germany. What will it take for Americans to learn?Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-46766354898388620842010-08-09T14:25:29.606-04:002010-08-09T14:25:29.606-04:00We all know why so many Muslims want the 13-story ...We all know why so many Muslims want the 13-story mosque built on the graves of the victims of September 11.<br /><br />Why are so many non-Muslim Americans so gung-ho about it? I hope to G-d it's not as an apology for the "backlash" against Muslims that never happened post 9/11.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1518368279896602022010-08-09T10:38:15.172-04:002010-08-09T10:38:15.172-04:00Your observations are correct, and now it is time ...Your observations are correct, and now it is time to act. Enough time spent on talking and coming together. The moment has arrived that we have to stand up. But as intelligent people we can't use the same weapon as the muslims, they fight with terror and destruction, arsine and rape. We have to choose another way. We have to fight with thoughts. We must use our minds to concur the enemy of mankind. <br />Islam can't survive in a world where people care for each other and work together. Freedom and truth are the only working weapons against the islam. If we attack the islam in the hart we must get it on it's knees and make it disappear.<br />The hart of the islam is not the mosque on Ground Zero, nor the Aya Sophia, nor the mosque at the Temple Mount. The everyday centre of islam is in the beds of the suppressor. The female slaves have to be freed first. Oppression end with education, when one is able to understand the situation it is easy to act.<br />Fighting islam is only possible when we educate the muslims and train them to be civilised human beings.<br /><br />For centuries islam has taught people to behave like animals, therefor it must be possible to make out of muslims humans!vanhetgoorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00157486761407746006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-25822048306163050322010-08-09T07:24:06.844-04:002010-08-09T07:24:06.844-04:00Unless I missed it, you did not mention Ayodhya, a...Unless I missed it, you did not mention Ayodhya, and that is unfortunate. <br /><br />The Indian Subcontinent was devastated by the Muslim conquest. Will Durant's profoundly grim assessment of the brutal and genocidal nature of that conquest is frequently quoted.<br /><br />There had been an important Hindu temple at Ayodhya; a mosque replaced it. This was just one of many. You can find the full story by googling, "Hindu temples replaced by Muslim mosques."D Goskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353495585591945881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-4101140948603701542010-08-08T22:49:36.237-04:002010-08-08T22:49:36.237-04:00My bad
In my last comment I meant to say Monolat...My bad <br /><br />In my last comment I meant to say Monolatrism or Monolatry - The worship of one god who alone is worthy of worship, though other gods are believed to exist.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolatrism<br /><br /><br />Not Henotheism - The worship of one god, not precluding the existence of others who may also be worthy of praise.Jesterhead45https://www.blogger.com/profile/06569998708665000668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-28748353323035648342010-08-08T18:49:01.693-04:002010-08-08T18:49:01.693-04:00Once again, a perfectly articulated article.
Isla...Once again, a perfectly articulated article.<br /><br />Islam is a burqa, it hides its intent to the naive. el-Gamal the partial owner of the buildings leased the building until 2071 from Con Ed. It only gets worse ... his cousin, Amr Moussa, is into real estate of the political realm and this where the real story reveals itself. In the western world we follow the money, in their world... follow the money and the prayer mats - the arab carpetbaggers.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amr_MoussaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-85936191292031005632010-08-08T17:31:00.304-04:002010-08-08T17:31:00.304-04:00Domination of Public Space
As soon as they move in...<b> Domination of Public Space</b><br />As soon as they move into Dar al-Harb (the lands of the infidel) in any numbers, Muslims think they have a God-given right to dominate public space and intimidate the infidels into submission.<br /><br />Mosques are of course notorious examples of this (see Mosque blight) but their swaggering, aggressive arrogance and sense of preferential entitlement make them obnoxious to the indigenous inhabitants in many other ways: <a href="http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/muslim-domination-of-public-space.html" rel="nofollow">http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/muslim-domination-of-public-space.html</a>trencherbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11139796977075891020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-3915751315774183912010-08-08T17:13:00.887-04:002010-08-08T17:13:00.887-04:00Proud Brit.
We are in desperate need of a Churchi...Proud Brit.<br /><br />We are in desperate need of a Churchill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-22818940434863241342010-08-08T16:00:11.850-04:002010-08-08T16:00:11.850-04:00Excellent article
I recall when I first heard the...Excellent article<br /><br />I recall when I first heard the story of G-d giving the Torah to the nations before he gave it to Israel, with the people of Edom (the West) refusing it due to it saying, “Thou shall not murder” and the people of Yishmael (Islamic world) refusing it due to it saying, “Thou shall not steal”. <br /><br />I remember thinking, why is Yishmael known for stealing when it murders as much people as Edom if not more, managing to kill off some 270 million+ souls since the founding of islam? <br /><br />Now I know why, the stealing extends from the physical such as peoples, loot, nations, land and holy places to the abstract, such as souls, culture, knowledge (or knowledge useful to islam) and identity. <br /><br />It would be quite a sight to see muslims in Scotland & Germany one day take on the identities of the Picts and Prussians, in the same way muslims in Israel named themselves after the Philistines. It would also be a sight to see non-muslim terror supporters, making excuses for such blatant identity theft. <br /><br />Islam is basically the complete system or way of life revolved around the idea of stealing practically everything of worth. <br /><br /><br />Btw, the Sudanese Muslim Janjaweed also said to their non-arab victims that they “killed their god”, which is strange since islam claims to be monotheistic. Unless they (the arabs) truly believe in the notion of some sort of “racial” henotheism, which is worshipping a single god while accepting the existence or possible existence of other deities (including I assume the G-d of Israel as well). <br /><br />Perhaps they believe that different races and peoples have their own (false) deities, who are all inferior to the god of the arabs, the so-called best of peoples otherwise why would they claim allah to be greater? <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HenotheismJesterhead45https://www.blogger.com/profile/06569998708665000668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-14761290202938876012010-08-08T14:27:46.078-04:002010-08-08T14:27:46.078-04:00Excellent column. I just would like to add some m...Excellent column. I just would like to add some miscellaneous comments.<br /><br />1) An interesting column recently written by two Muslims on the Ottawa Citizen:<br /><br />"Mischief in Manhattan: We Muslims know the Ground Zero Mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation."<br /><br />The authors accuse liberals such as Mr Bloomberg of ignoring Muslim tyranny and how Muslims worldwide are using liberalism to destroy secular democratic societies from within.<br /><br />http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Mischief+Manhattan/3370303/story.html<br /><br />2) We need to remember that this is the second case of islamization of 9/11 sites. <br /><br />The crashing site of Flight 93 has a memorial clearly designed as a Muslim Crescent directed towards Mecca.<br /><br />http://errortheory.blogspot.com/2009/10/construction-drawings-released-flight.html<br /><br />Mark Steyn on the Crescent of Embrace:<br /><br />"We think it (Ground Zero Mosque) symbolizes our "tolerance". They think it symbolizes our submission. Either way, the two most important sites of 9/11 - the scene of the greatest atrocity and the scene of the only good news of the day (heroism of Flight 93) - will honor neither the victims nor American heroism." <br /><br />"The “crescent of embrace”, in its desperation to see no enemies and stand for nothing, represents a shameful modification: Are you ready, guys? Let’s roll over." <br /><br />http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/3353/30/<br /><br />3) I agree that there is a need to keep on fighting, not only against this mosque but also against Dhimmitude disguised as tolerance and political correctness. <br /><br />It's a multiple front war, and among the main targets are the Dhimmi media, corrupt and weak politicians, and those who benefit from immigration as a source of cheap labor and increased demand for consumer products. There is a need to establish a moratorium on immigration.Tracy Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00518463946300763941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-12588456332634043862010-08-08T14:21:31.946-04:002010-08-08T14:21:31.946-04:00V S Naipaul wrote of his travels in non-Arab Musli...V S Naipaul wrote of his travels in non-Arab Muslim lands. <br /><br />Because I was soon to discover that no Colonization had been so thorough as the colonization that had come with the Arab faith. Colonized or defeated peoples can begin to distrust themselves. In the Muslim countries I am talking about, this distrust had all the force of religion. It was an article of the Arab faith that everything before the faith was wrong, misguided, heretical; there was no room in the heart or mind of these believers for their pre-Mohammedan past. So ideas of history here were quite different from ideas of history elsewhere; there was no wish here to go back as far as possible into the past, and to learn as much as possible about the past. Persia had a great past; it had been the rival in classical times of Greece and Rome. But you wouldn't have believed it in Iran in 1979; for the Iranians the glory and the truth had begun with the coming of Islam, Pakistan was a very new Muslim state. But the land was very old. In Pakistan were the ruins of the very old cities of Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa. Fabulous ruins, the discovery of which earlier this century had given a new idea of the history of the sub-continent. Not only pre-Islamic Ruins; but possibly also Pre-Hindu. There was an archaeological department, inherited from British days, which looked after the sites. But there was, especially with the growth of fundamentalism, a contrary current. This was expressed in a letter to a newspaper while I was there. The ruins of the cities, the writer said, should be hung with quotations from the Koran, saying that this was what befell unbelievers. The faith abolished the past. And when the past was abolished like this, more than an idea of history suffered. Human behavior, and ideals of good behavior, could suffer. <br /><br />More here<br />http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/wl1990.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-13467594626512637592010-08-08T13:29:14.404-04:002010-08-08T13:29:14.404-04:00what we can do is continue fighting it, speaking o...what we can do is continue fighting it, speaking out against it and protesting<br /><br />the politicians and the media expect the peasants to go home, so they can go back to looking down on central park and deciding our fate<br /><br />what we can do is refuse to be silencedDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-3083289943642226922010-08-08T13:14:50.304-04:002010-08-08T13:14:50.304-04:00Yes, Islam is a thief, it steals, kills and destro...Yes, Islam is a thief, it steals, kills and destroys - its like an oat cell carcinoma. kbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-27880968623835147142010-08-08T13:07:48.549-04:002010-08-08T13:07:48.549-04:00Said it well, as a person who grew up in an oppres...Said it well, as a person who grew up in an oppressive Islamic country, have a better understanding of an Islamic mentality than average people.<br /><br />A New Yorker myself, the instent I first heard of the mosque plan, I opposed it because a mosque is considered a flag above the concquered land in Islam and a sign of victory for any Muslim in the world who supported 9/11 attack.<br /><br />It's like praising the Muslims who carried out/supported the attack and invite them to blow up more of our buildings so then they can build a mosque and raise their flags + now they have a Muslims US president who applogizes for our troops fighting & killing their terrorists!<br /><br />"The Infidel Alliance" also perfectly explained the siruation, we are not dealing with individuals, we are dealing with a violent and barbaric ideology called Islam.SecularDemocraticIranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02595631415167251601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1538922601064856112010-08-08T12:35:10.165-04:002010-08-08T12:35:10.165-04:00Excellent article and absolutely correct in all po...Excellent article and absolutely correct in all points. But is there something we can actually DO to resist or prevent this building project from going forward. What a disgrace if this mosque will actually be built, thereby drawing in large numbers of muslims to the area to desecrate Ground Zero and the memory of those who were murdered by the very terrorist types who intend to build this mosque.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-85629407614109313832010-08-08T11:32:07.866-04:002010-08-08T11:32:07.866-04:00Charlie,
Plenty of people do find it offensive as...Charlie,<br /><br />Plenty of people do find it offensive as a matter of fact, but only a fool would try to argue that one somehow justifies the other.<br /><br />The Muslim "tolerance" ignores the massacres and the forced conversions of Jews en masse. Islam's "knowledge" was part of the loot, much as it was in Europe at the time. And the attempt to understate Europe's culture, while overstating the culture in the Muslim world, is part of the typical Muslim revisionist history.<br /><br />The mosque is within the sphere of destruction inflicted on Ground Zero. It was bought so cheaply because it was part of that sphere of destruction.<br /><br />There is no sizable Muslim population in Downtown Manhattan. In an interview it was admitted that the vast majority of worshipers come from outside the area. Those are his words.<br /><br />The tactics of those defending the desecration of Ground Zero reveal a great deal about the lack of respect and empathy among the left, and its determination to destroy what Americans value in the name of their ideology. And considering how much of the surrounding area is landmarked, the idea that a historical building should be landmarked is entirely normative. If you reject the idea of landmarks outright, then make that argument instead of hiding behind irrelevancies regarding Eminent Domain.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-75565584734778584082010-08-08T11:06:14.549-04:002010-08-08T11:06:14.549-04:00Different religions take each others' worship ...Different religions take each others' worship spaces all the time and convert them to secualar or religious use. Christians have been taking synagogues all over New York and turning them into churches; why is there no complaint? And in Tzfat I can show you a mosque that is now a museum, as is the famous Hagia Sofia church turned mosque in Istanbul. <br /><br />The Muslim tolerance in Spain is no revision; it lasted for 300 years. You don't find very many places in the world with that long a continuous period of tolerance for Jews. Nor is the Muslim intellectual achievements of the Umayyid and Abbasid Caliphates; Europe was in the Dark Ages and only Monks and Jews and the very rare monarch like Alfred the Great even knew how to read and write. Islam had universities when there were none in Christian Europe. <br /><br />The "Ground Zero Mosque" is in fact not at ground zero but two blocks away. The current mosque that is four blocks away was there before the World Trade Center was built, and in fact is hopelessly overcrowded, with worshipers having to pray outside on the sidewalk, as can be seen in the photographs here:<br /><br />http://www.masjidmanhattan.com/<br /><br />Finally, the tactics of the opponents have revealed the total moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the American political Right. It used to oppose arbitrary governmental intervention against private property rights. The cries against the Kelo case in which a city wanted to bulldoze a community in order to allow a private developer to build an industrial park were well justified even though the Supreme Court decision was correct on the law. The more recent taking of private homes to build a sports arena should have generated more outrage than it did. The attempt to stop the building of the Cordoba Center by using a bogus landmarking ordinance when the current building is an ordinary commercial property and the property owner has by-right zoning to develop the site is absolutely outrageous.Charlie Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17667135360784254574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-24344880188414498132010-08-08T10:29:08.889-04:002010-08-08T10:29:08.889-04:00thank you Crystalthank you CrystalDaniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.com