tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post2116590569480129087..comments2024-03-29T00:24:13.128-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : The Murderer's HonorDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-15265341247185596082017-06-15T08:16:37.783-04:002017-06-15T08:16:37.783-04:00denis o:
"When they come to America and Londo...denis o:<br />"When they come to America and London, to drive cabs or open shops, they see a chance for a better life and behave not at all as you portray them "<br />nonsense.gray manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15131487850530566776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-64618888478075121102017-06-15T08:14:23.023-04:002017-06-15T08:14:23.023-04:00anonymous;
"while creating next to nothing si...anonymous;<br />"while creating next to nothing since algebra and tile"<br />muslims created neither algebra nor tile. gray manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15131487850530566776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-83710594456798054932014-03-25T00:04:59.863-04:002014-03-25T00:04:59.863-04:00Excellent article, opened my eyes more, tho I had ...Excellent article, opened my eyes more, tho I had an inkling it had to do with Honour and the circle of violence that causes in their minds and hearts... Thanks for your brilliance :)<br />ChrissyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-20884492281987497482014-03-21T22:59:51.305-04:002014-03-21T22:59:51.305-04:00It ends when we end it or otherwise perhaps with t...It ends when we end it or otherwise perhaps with the end of all things. <br />Islam didn't invent honor but it cannot be defeated by a people who do not possess it themselves. <br />Islam is first and foremost a seduction and therefore innocence is a somewhat questionable defense. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17166769845461810284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-44501939210021186332014-03-21T22:19:17.948-04:002014-03-21T22:19:17.948-04:00I will waste more words in my comment post than Mr...I will waste more words in my comment post than Mr. Greenfield did in his outstanding article. But, that wasn't an article, that was an extraordinary documentary.<br /><br />"A Muslim is right because he has power".....When the most sophisticated military-weapons-arsenal in the history of mankind cannot crush a bunch of evil-mad rifle toting goat herders, it is clear who wants to win the battle.....and who has the power.<br /><br />Dan Mesa/AZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-92212516629544232392014-03-21T18:16:17.455-04:002014-03-21T18:16:17.455-04:00You wrote: "... the average Muslim did not s...You wrote: "... the average Muslim did not spend any time thinking about the Jews, who were always despised, but like most non-Muslims, weren't of consequence. Having conquered their lands and their persons, they could go about ignoring them, aside from the usual thefts, murders and assorted cruelties."<br /><br />As long as the Jews were good little inferiors, bowing and scraping and knowing our place, our Muslim conquerers put up with us. Our industry made us good to rob, and our suffering was always good for a few laughs. But then we got uppity and no longer knew our place, so it's Katie, bar the door. Can't have a bunch of Jews running around unowned and thinking they're your equals, can you?<br /><br />Lightbringer <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-13709550977040214492014-03-21T15:56:49.732-04:002014-03-21T15:56:49.732-04:00Too, too long! Gad, to make a point? What? That t...Too, too long! Gad, to make a point? What? That they are monsters?<br />They are ignorant animals that are manipulated into thinking they are "entitled", and there are no real consequences for "taking" by murder, theft, or any other way. They target the easy ones, despite what you say, Sultan, and if their victim bites back, they look for another, weaker victim. Israel understands this, and GWBush did too, when he went into the heart of the vipers' nest, WMD's or not. Once bitten, they directed their terror against their traditional secular enemies, and left the U.S. alone.<br />Your analysis ignores that they are cowards, bullying as long as the victim doesn't bite, eg. Obama, Kerry, Clinton(s).<br />The poppy farmers defend their crops, and they are not above farming the dirt. Think about that. If they believe life is hopeless and G-d is great, they'll believe anything, and are susceptible to irrational manipulation and peer pressure. When they come to America and London, to drive cabs or open shops, they see a chance for a better life and behave not at all as you portray them (except for those on the dole, who continue their ways). Is there a lesson here?<br />Regards,DenisOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-10082843515464158492014-03-21T15:54:11.456-04:002014-03-21T15:54:11.456-04:00Islam is what Muhammad said and did. That's w...Islam is what Muhammad said and did. That's where the violence comes from and always will. Muslims, of course, do not see themselves as committing violence but as carrying out Allah's will ("even though you don't like it, it is good for you") it is unbelievers who commit violence against Allah by being renegades and imposing their own law. Jews and Christians in dar al-Islam were always dhimmi peoples, subjugated, and under the threat of violence if they ever acted differently. Jihad (warfare against non-Muslims to spread Islam, as defined in sharia) is not a hobby either. It is obligatory and a law of Allah until the Day of Resurrection, it is hukmshari: a right of Allah that can never be overruled by men. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-66385652682447324182014-03-21T13:06:09.038-04:002014-03-21T13:06:09.038-04:00I don't think that Islamic violence is about h...I don't think that Islamic violence is about honor. <br /><br />I think that Islamic violence is a hobby. Like stamp collecting was in America during the 1950's. <br /><br />There have been long stretches of time when Islamic society was peaceful. There were millennia where Jews and Christians were successful in Islamic lands.<br /><br />There was a time when stamp collecting accrued great wealth. Thus the hobby produced economic power. Today the hobby of Islamic violence produces political power. In each case, the impact of the hobby was enabled by the rest of the observers in the marketplace.<br /><br />Perhaps the hobby of Islamic violence will fade just like stamp collecting. It only happens when enough people do not respect it.<br /><br />Connecting Islamic violence with honor is incorrect. There is no reason to elevate the action/emotion by the connection. It is totally without honor, it is merely popular. The mere suggestion that it is honor from any perspective (even that of a Muslim) justifies it even if only in a morally relative sense -- it should never be done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-55031116893137089392014-03-21T11:45:08.146-04:002014-03-21T11:45:08.146-04:00Wow! Just ... wow! Great stuff.
I remember when...Wow! Just ... wow! Great stuff.<br /><br />I remember when I tried to start learning about the middle east and read a book by Thomas Friedman and he talked about the "Arab Street." His pronouncements seemed so worldly insightful about the conditions and the causes for problems between Arabs and Jews. Since then I have read much and observed a lot as a more astute world citizen. But I keep coming back to my own fundamental belief that all men want their children to have a better future. Except that governments, politicians, and the rich and powerful don't seem to want it that way. Too much money to be made from the killing. Who cares about Honor when there's money to be made! Take the Saudi Kingdom. As stated, if they hold a grudge for being aided by America, why does America keep supporting them after 9/11 when it is well documented where those terrorists came from and who it is that funds much of the Wahhabi teachings that continue this cycle of violence. Maybe it would be best to let this so called Kingdom implode and let the bloodletting turn inward for a change. I know, I know, everyone will say, "But the oil!" I think Western Civ can manage until things settle out. After all, whoever winds up with the oil still needs to sell it on the world market. Maybe the West should stand up for "Honor" and stop supporting this crazy-stupid mentality. There are ways of fighting this without going to outright war.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-11556812938120256732014-03-21T07:57:37.255-04:002014-03-21T07:57:37.255-04:00Gently does it......
Gently does it......<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-16710158521715185512014-03-21T01:07:23.803-04:002014-03-21T01:07:23.803-04:00The principals of evil, and more, as depicted in t...The principals of evil, and more, as depicted in this article, are all written as the phony god's commands to the bandit gang's faithful, in many ways and entries, in the koran, hadiths, and sira. Required to never change, but play on forever, as illustrated by the original "perfect (evil) man" mohammad himself. And so on forever, waning and waxing through eons, it goes. <br /><br />How does one stop it? Only power, through superior force is respected and resented. The lessons of C.Martel, and J. Sobieski show how to stop it, along with Vlad Tepes. September 11, reflects this paragraph's reality, and Dan's great article's reality as he depicted so very realistically. In islam, history must repeat, every day, exactly as "Groundhog Day" illustrated.<br /><br />JackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-73264987813204465442014-03-21T01:01:49.439-04:002014-03-21T01:01:49.439-04:00great piece, knish. yes, the arabs are great poets...great piece, knish. yes, the arabs are great poets. better than milton. and humiliation is their one great obsession.<br /><br /> -- spankyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-60259091373294226432014-03-20T23:54:25.515-04:002014-03-20T23:54:25.515-04:00EVERYONE should read "The Closed Circle, An ...EVERYONE should read "The Closed Circle, An interpretation of the Arabs" by David Pryce-Jones: Harper & Row, New York 1989.<br /><br />It contains the clearest academic study of Arabs AND Islam (They are NOT the same), ever.Brucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-12460937841772602742014-03-20T22:58:11.073-04:002014-03-20T22:58:11.073-04:00I suspect Islam is the way it is and the Arabs are...I suspect Islam is the way it is and the Arabs are the way they are because of the terrain in the Middle East, and eventually because of the horse. An open country makes attack more successful then defense. Add to that mobility in the form of a horse or camel, and attack is greatly favored over defense and the more aggressive survive while the more passive perish. Naturally then, the tribalism in the region was aggressive. <br /><br />The same thing was true in North America. The plains Indians had no word for war because it was the normal, continuous state. They never went to war because they were always at war. The Mongolians on the Russian steppe were the same. Aggressive, predatory, murderous, and mobile. <br /><br />Unfortunately because Islam reduces this aggressive tribalism to doctrine, it has so far been immune to change. And as an assist to cement doctrine, enforcement of orthodoxy is both violent and vigilante in character. No central authority is needed; the individual believer is expected to act out violently against the apostate or non believer. <br /><br />And just for fun along the way, to make the whole thing an over the top crock, it tolerates and to some extent encourages both pedophilia and slavery, along with a tendency to treat women as a kind of property. And all the preceding is locked into permanent, unchanging doctrine by the Koran. <br />Johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08858734208780946905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-88417713342506459822014-03-20T22:44:26.467-04:002014-03-20T22:44:26.467-04:00Peter, you raise thoughtful points. In my career i...Peter, you raise thoughtful points. In my career in public health, I hired pre med graduates to 'shadow' physicians, and do various other chores in the clinic. The one I remember most clearly was a young woman from Bangledesh. She was smart, but very sheltered, up to that point.<br />She had a cool relationship with her mother, and we developed a rapport. We did weekly progress reports, and she started to ask questions that astounded me,,coming from a 22 year old college graduate, who had lived here most of her life. I would have thought them impertinent, but recognized the urgency of her need for information, even though she did not express it well.. She asked me basic questions about my own Catholicism, and our boss's Judaism, that were so naïve and elemental, they sounded as if they were coming from a grade school student, instead of a dean's list young woman.<br />I had trouble understanding how such ignorance was possible, considering she had access to tv, newspapers, and pop culture, plus had attended a good University. To this day, the depth of her misunderstanding strikes me as confounding. If a family can do this to their semi Americanized daughter, imagine the ignorance of those in many Muslim countries.<br /><br /><br />As always, education is the place to start to open hearts and minds, but it would have to start with the very young and fall on willing ears.<br />An unlikely scenario, at this point in time.<br /><br />sophieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-20986441191771896222014-03-20T21:58:02.845-04:002014-03-20T21:58:02.845-04:00brilliant artical. how many muslims in the world? ...brilliant artical. how many muslims in the world? 1.5 billion? what dos this say about humanity in general?laura r.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-40567722642927753282014-03-20T21:34:26.057-04:002014-03-20T21:34:26.057-04:00Daniel,
As fine a thinker as you are, I feel thi...Daniel, <br />As fine a thinker as you are, I feel this excellent article may have a wrong premise. A bully attempts to control others; the ultimate control is death. But a bully's attempt to control others is his attempt to achieve control of any kind over his own life...for his life is basically out of control. A bully is also a coward; he doesn't have the gumption to address his own reality and is even less interested in the experiences of others. As you rightly point out, it all comes down to beliefs. There is no emotion, no action, without first a belief. And if your beliefs result in an ugly life, well then, it is certainly OK to kill. I fully support your conclusion that nothing will change until the murderers change their beliefs. And what is the possibility of that if no one is allowed, under threat of death, to challenge their beliefs? There's no obvious answer except to protect our lives and way of life with an equal amount of violence. Which drags us down to a level that is not only unfortunate, it is dangerous for us as well. Thank you again for your wonderful writing. I imagine it is sometimes difficult for you.Peter Hughes, Bandon, Oregonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-10844004514991366772014-03-20T21:31:33.108-04:002014-03-20T21:31:33.108-04:00Genesis 16:8-12 (KJV)
8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai...Genesis 16:8-12 (KJV) <br />8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai. <br />9 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands. <br />10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. <br />11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. <br />12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. <br /><br />In this case, the murderer is ancestral and runs through his veins in the blood of a thousand generations from Ishmael, to the young muslim of today. He will be a wild man and his hand will be against all men and all men against him.Kent Wigginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04132945716373846177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-31234845287046420572014-03-20T21:15:38.404-04:002014-03-20T21:15:38.404-04:00Edward, re: algebra, I was giving them the benefit...Edward, re: algebra, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.. but forgot about rugs made by six year olds. Islam, to me, is the perfect storm of tyrants finding a path to power on the backs of the illiterate. I mean if all the rewards one could desire are in the afterlife, of course death would be a desired outcome.<br /><br />I apologize for a tendency to post from a perspective of emotion running straight to my busy fingers. I would horrify myself, if I posted my true feelings about this murderous scourge on humanity. <br />sophie<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-35673184428042424932014-03-20T19:20:44.089-04:002014-03-20T19:20:44.089-04:00All you need to know about Islam is at a post at s...All you need to know about Islam is at a post at shoebat.com about the horrific slaughterhouses in Syria. It was posted yesterday. I can't post the link here...using an iPad which for some reason doesn't allow me to, but please go there, read it, pass it to everyone you can, write your senators (don't waste your time with Obama) and het active, please!Socabillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04566564708603523278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-16554699618057437712014-03-20T19:09:40.073-04:002014-03-20T19:09:40.073-04:00Isn't this a re-print? Or am I dreaming the sa...Isn't this a re-print? Or am I dreaming the same dream?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-82310267811962972812014-03-20T16:04:35.839-04:002014-03-20T16:04:35.839-04:00Anonymous: You wrote: "Now, I mainly hope the...Anonymous: You wrote: "Now, I mainly hope they all kill each other. In a culture that values a deranged sort of 'honor', while creating next to nothing since algebra and tile, it seems like the likeliest ending. I just hope they don't take the rest of us with them." First, I doubt the Muslims invented algebra. However, your hopes are understood, but to understand the Muslim perspective – and I forget offhand who said it, that Muslims love death as much as infidels love life – you should grasp that at the core, Muslims are willing to die and take someone or the rest of us with them. They couldn't tolerate dying while letting those who love life continue living. This is why I have always said that Islam is at root a nihilist ideology; it kills for the sake of killing. Period. They destroy for the sake of destruction, kill for the sake of killing. It is, fundamentally, a death cult. Edward Clinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160209827969614964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-14037747046458308472014-03-20T16:00:47.612-04:002014-03-20T16:00:47.612-04:00Daniel, as we experience daily here in the U.S., c...Daniel, as we experience daily here in the U.S., culture can, and often does, trump all, and not necessarily in the best interests of those concerned. At one time, I had hope for the women of Iran, and even Egypt, but our Dear Leader dashed that.<br />sophieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-75142908702146479882014-03-20T14:45:01.616-04:002014-03-20T14:45:01.616-04:00Sophie, no people are all exactly the same, but th...Sophie, no people are all exactly the same, but these are the cultural forces at work here and it's perilous to ignore them.<br /><br />Some Muslim women want change, others want to avert change. They're still products of their culture and the ones who want change tend to be somewhat westernized.<br /><br />mindRider, that is how it happens for many articles.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.com