tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post116222879072613351..comments2024-03-28T03:24:11.539-04:00Comments on Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org : A Topic on Three T's; Torah, Torture and TerrorismDaniel Greenfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1162323088584467792006-10-31T14:31:00.000-05:002006-10-31T14:31:00.000-05:00non-violence is good as a general guide-it's corre...non-violence is good as a general guide-it's correct that violence should be avoided if other solutions are possible<BR/><BR/>but "non-violence" has a sickness at it's core<BR/><BR/>for instance-a non-violent person would say that if you are faced with a homicidal maniac you should not kill him, even in self defense-you should die rather than kill <BR/><BR/>well fine, believe what you want, but it's one thing if YOU choose to offer your throat to a homicidal maniac it's a whole 'nuther thing to insist that SOMEONE ELSE do it<BR/><BR/>and that's what the nv's do!<BR/><BR/>the non-violent people NEVER tell the homicidal maniac to stop being violent noooo- they harrang the victim, make him feel guilty and bad and wrong for not being PERFECT like the oh so holy non-violent one<BR/>they hammer away at the victim, convincing him that ALL violence is wrong, holding him to a standard of PERFECT nonviolence<BR/><BR/>so then if the victim listens to them and ends up dead well ...<BR/>non-violence itself was one of the weapons that killed him nu?<BR/><BR/>non-violence itself has become a deadly murderouse evil weapon of death !!!<BR/><BR/>but the sanctimonious non-violent ones don't have the basic humility to just admit it@!<BR/>frankly I prefer the homicidal maniac to the non-violent preacher-at least the maniac is honest!<BR/><BR/>so look at Israel-they hammer away at the LEAST little thing a Jew does wrong but the maniacs get a free pass-the only way you can be a good Jew in their eyes is to be a dead Jew -or a dhimmi Jew<BR/><BR/>and there's a similar pathology in the "non-violence" of the "xtian-pro-life movement" it's fine if they are so holy that they wouldn't even kill a human egg that is a millisecond old-it's another thing when they when they hold others to that standard -ignoring women dead from illegal aborions or worse-condeming them<BR/>becasue those women aren't PERFECT like the oh so holy pro-lifers are<BR/><BR/>hypocrits!!! liars!! scumbags!!!<BR/>it's the mercy of Saul I tell you. These people would be more merciful than G-d!!!<BR/><BR/>but anyway re; this post-I am not of a firm opinion about it because it is bush co. and the xtians that are doing the water boarding and whatnot-I seriously doubt that these people are to be trusted to know when it's "appropriate" to use violence-they aint Jews and they aint noahides- so whatever the Torah says is irrelevent to them<BR/><BR/>I think if the pseudo rabbi's want to protest violence they would do better to quote what the xtian book has to say about it-since it's that book that "reformed" the mean violent "Old Testament"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1162261575522961952006-10-30T21:26:00.000-05:002006-10-30T21:26:00.000-05:00And still does drive them out of their minds. As I...And still does drive them out of their minds. As I recall they put him on trial, posthumously.Daniel Greenfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1162261459640182642006-10-30T21:24:00.000-05:002006-10-30T21:24:00.000-05:00Imagine these rabbis response to Yael and to Pinch...Imagine these rabbis response to Yael and to Pinchas? Or to Moshe Rabbeinu himself.<BR/>David Ha Melekh would have driven them out of their minds.Chana @ Lemon Lime Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11656854855385193867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1162253081421130402006-10-30T19:04:00.000-05:002006-10-30T19:04:00.000-05:00and I am certain that torture, coercive interrogat...and I am certain that torture, coercive interrogation or whatever it's called is used on only the most high risk suspects.<BR/><BR/>Could I do it? No. That's why I am not in the military and I admire those who have the strength to interrogate terrorists.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1162252911623969372006-10-30T19:01:00.000-05:002006-10-30T19:01:00.000-05:00"The principal Jewish justifications for violent f..."The principal Jewish justifications for violent force are self-defense and pre-emption — forestalling an impending attack. The central formulation of pre-emptive self-defense is articulated in the law of the rodef, or “pursuer.”<BR/><BR/><BR/>I made this point during the Lebanon war but I'll repeat it again. <BR/><BR/>In dealing with terrorist and terrorism almost by definition you don't know when they will strike. All terrorist pose an imminent danger and threat.<BR/><BR/>The issue of an attack being immiment and the definition and even the perception of immediacy is critical not only in the war against terrorism but even in domestic violence cases.<BR/><BR/>A woman kills her husband while he is sleeping. Not self defense most would argue. But if she knows him, his patterns of violence, can read much into a simple word, look or raised eyebrow, imminent means something different to her.<BR/><BR/>A relatively benign "honey, I home" can mean disaster and terrible threat. This issue was addressed during the famous Burning Bed case years ago.<BR/><BR/>With terrorism, you must assume that terrorists can act at anytime, making the immediacy argument sort of moot, if that makes sense.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1162247326561005612006-10-30T17:28:00.000-05:002006-10-30T17:28:00.000-05:00Outstanding rebuttal to these fake rabbis and terr...Outstanding rebuttal to these fake rabbis and terrorist sympathizers. Simply wonderful.<BR/><BR/>Thank you. it can be quite confusing trying to sort out the truth when these rabbis and other Jews play fast and loose with Torah principles and halacha. <BR/><BR/>Keliata posting from workAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11368628.post-1162245360183251462006-10-30T16:56:00.000-05:002006-10-30T16:56:00.000-05:00They totally ignore that not only does G-d command...They totally ignore that not only does G-d command Israel to go to war, He also commands us to leave NO SURVIVORS. Well...except for animals....and trees. Both of which Hashem sees as being more important than our enemies, i.e., arabs and the like. muuhahhaaaa... <BR/><BR/>After all, animals have a purpose. They work, unlike arabs. Trees have purpose! They can be taken down and put to good use - unlike arabs. Even left up, they're more productive than arabs. Hashem loves animals and trees. :]<BR/><BR/>Anyway, guess it just goes to show, in every generation there will always be the cowards who hide behind the guise of compassion and keep our people in a heap of trouble.<BR/><BR/>What gets me most though, is that women have joined the cowardly ranks. Since when have Jewish women ever been cowards? Our history proves it was always the men. <BR/><BR/>So, since I'm not in the mood to face reality - I've decided they are not really women. They're transvestites! (whew! i knew there had to be an answer somewhere!)Yobeeonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13067866336964665242noreply@blogger.com